Hi...hope this doesn't sound too stupid, and it's not a flame...but what is the primary use of filterforge?
I've downloaded the trial, and the software is undeniably cool. Though I wasn't able to find a proper noob tutorial, I was able see some examples which allowed me to eventually create a few basic filters and then to try them in photoshop. I also downloaded some existing filters and tried them in photoshop.
I am a photographer (or more accurately, I'm a guy that likes to take pictures as a hobby...it's my personal creative outlet And I'm messing around in photoshop trying to be even more creative. When I look at the filters, I see two general types...tiles and "enhancers"...the tiles look like something nice for backgrounds if you were doing scrapbooking, but look like they would be much more useful for graphic designer types. Not sure that they have much application for pure photography (ie me).
But the enhancing type filters DO have applications for photography. "old picture" type filters, that kind of thing. But many of the filters that are for photography also seem more for graphic designers than for pure photography (a "condensation" filter for example). And many of the filters seem like simple fixes that you could make within photoshop already...for example contrast and glow filters. I understand that the nature of filters is such that of course you can do these things in photoshop...thats why photoshop is required That the filter is supposed to make it easier and more intuitive. But I'm struggling with figuring out if there is something more for the photographer that I'm not seeing.
I see people raving about the "bomber" in V2. I see lots of very cool stuff, though very little would seem to be useful from a pure photography aspect. And I see way more talk about filters, and pictures of filters...but not much in the way of "look at how this filter enhanced a real picture" with before and after shots or something like that.
So I guess here is my question: what do most of you do with your filters? Are most of you graphic designers? Do you use these filters for photography? Are there any truly "killer filters" that FF offers for the photographer?
I can totally see myself getting the software just to play with. It's definitely a cool piece of work, and I think it could just be a lot of fun to try and get creative and see what I can do with it. I just want to know if thats all I'm going to do with it before I spend $100-150.
|Posted: May 5, 2010 11:03 am|
Hi jefflins, I'm new here too and I have been asking myself similar questions, from a different perspective (3D modelling) though. I just add what came to my mind.
I found Filter Forge several weeks ago when I was searching for a specific texture for a mesh. Can't remember what it was exactly -- maybe ceramics, it seems to be easy to land on FF procedural textures in the web. And that's fine!
This is exactly what happened to me. I could not stop playing with the software, because it opens a fascinating new perspective on 2D computer graphics. It strikes me a a "mathematical" access -- as compared to the more direct, sensory impact when painting with software or much more so when painting with colors on paper.
In between rushing after new ideas I have been asking myself some questions. For instance: What is the powerful lighting apparatus in FF 2 exactly intended for? 3D meshes and scenes have to be rendered anyway, often "2D-textures" will be good enough or even better for coloring (in conjunction with normal maps etc.).
I read some intensive and informative discussions in this forum, dating from 2006 onwards, about the usage of and market for textures. Procedural textures cover only part or it.
What is Filter Forge for me at this moment?
A 2D graphic software in its own right. There is all kinds of specialized "2D software" out there, for instance for photo editing, painting, scetching, drawing cartoons, making icons, making sprites, making textures, vector graphics software, chart software, viewers etc... I see Filter Forge as "node-software" for lack of a better/correct term.
What do i use it for? I intended to produce textures for meshes but Filter Forge kind of kidnapped me and took me on a long detour...
It inspires me to revisit school mathematics and I even have started doing so
But it mainly offers new outlooks on the possibilities of 2D graphics by supporting a creative process that produces "meta pictures". By "meta pictures" I mean the design of processes that can generate a whole range of pictures in their turn. This requires a special way of focussing. We can produce "living works" so to say. I am curious how long this enthusiasm will carry me and where it will lead to!
I am also curious, what others here would say, who have more and much more experience with Filter Forge or possibly even those who design/ed it -- although I am sure, the developers are very busy at this moment of transition to a new version. Good luck!
Have a good day!
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|Posted: May 5, 2010 2:56 pm|
Thanks for the response!
I think I get it now...this program can do an awful lot, but I think it is more for the graphic designers and people looking to create textures etc and less for people looking to enhance real-life pictures. I don't mean that as a slight, or that it can't do it, but I think the real power is in "creating" vs enhancing.
I'm really thinking this isn't something I need as I already have plugins that will handle "old picture" or "watercolor" sorts of things. I think I may have just gotten drawn in by how cool the software is I'm thinking, "oh you need this" but I think that would just be for fun. Come to think of it, if they made a $20 "toy" edition where you could CREATE filters but NOT USE them, they might have a new market And a whole lot more filters (like you need more than 7000
I also think I got my photography-centric mind wrapped up in the assumption that "hey, it's for photoshop, therefore it must be aimed at photographers"...but um...I guess photoshop is for more than just photographers...doh!
|Posted: May 5, 2010 3:48 pm|
FF is definitely not just for photography. People here use it for all sorts of things. Image editing is part. Textures for 2d. Textures for 3d. Game development (the various render maps make FF excellent for this). Map making. RPG map making. Making signs. Scrap-booking. There seem to be some people here just for the math. In short, pretty much anything you might use Pshop for can be enhanced w/ FF.
Mainly I use it to make Pshop go faster. Suppose I have a complicated pshop process to apply to an image, or a bunch of images. I can usually make a filter that does what I need it to do, and then have all the built in controls, etc to tweak it, and obviate a bunch of work, or do things which would be otherwise impossible in pshop.
>>re: Killer Apps
I know at least one person who bought FF just for Kochubey's Watercolor filter.
If you are thinking about purchasing FF: you may want to hurry. It's been on 50% sale, which is expiring TOMORROW. It's $150 for the pro version w/ the discount... But in another day, even the regular version will jump up to $199.
|Posted: May 5, 2010 4:50 pm|
|This thread could be useful for promotion of FF and to help to know better FF to other users that do no know at all FF and have never used it.|
|Posted: August 19, 2012 2:31 am|
I'm a photographer and one look at the Filter Forge Gallery convinced me that there is NOTHING out there that can do what some of these filters can do. A big THANK YOU to the folks that create these filters and make them available in the library. I would not have purchased FF at the regular price, but the 70% off sale is awesome and brought the program down to a price I can afford. THANKS FF!
If you're a photographer, take a few minutes to browse the gallery to see the incredible effects these filters can have on your photos.
|Posted: January 6, 2013 6:05 pm|
I think the main reason you don't see the photographer-potential immediately is that the types of filters you'd be looking for, are not promoted by the editors, and in general are not likely to become High Usage filters (which in turn rewards the filter author with rebate points). So there is little incentive for authors to publish these kinds of filters
However the filters are there, just not in the numbers you'd expect (given the potential of FF) - I myself have many of these filters in my private collection (that is probably true for many other authors too), I just didn't publish as I thought there is little interest in these filters. Perhaps you should write a "Call for Photography Filters" post
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|Posted: January 7, 2013 2:05 am|
Not to be self-promoting, but here are a few photographer-oriented filters of mine that may help you get started. I'm a photographer as well (professionally and as a hobby) among other things.
The Photon Chamber (my equivalent of Lightroom but for FF)
Focus Frame (a very old one, but could be useful to someone)
There are also a few by other authors:
Bi-Color (gradient toning)
Hopefully seeing some of these filters can enlighten you. Lightroom/photoshop are great, but are kind of strict and limited in terms of editing. Filter Forge will bring creativity and dynamicity to the photo-editing process.
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|Posted: January 7, 2013 3:44 am|
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