Only 20 presets per filter allowed?
SpaceRay
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I still think that would be good to have at least 30 or 40 presets as maximun for filter submission instead of the 20 that is now.
Because I have some filters that can show many variations and multiple combinations and with 20 presets is NOT enough to show really all the things that could be done and help the user with many presets examples.
Yes is true, that rising the limit will not change at all the render submission time and will be the same as it is now. |
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| Posted: May 9, 2012 5:28 am | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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WHY must the filter creator have to CHOOSE ONLY 20 presets and delete ALL the others presets ? It is really difficult and hard to choose and sel ect those 20 presets fr om a very good selection and good examples presets you may have and you loose much time comparing and thinking which ones will not be available in the filter. WHY is not possible to have the options of having MORE than 20 presets? at least should be between 30 and 50. Is there any reason this is done this way ? Please, Please, I think it would be really useful to increase the presets that you can submit with the filter. Thanks very much |
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| Posted: May 10, 2012 12:18 am | ||||||
Morgantao
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The only reason why I think 50 presets COULD (not saying it nesecerily WOULD) be a problem, is because there's no way to hide or delete the default presets, and there's no way to rearange the presets.
Imagine you make your own presets to a filter that allready has 50 presets... You'll have to scroll way down just to get to your presets. Still, I'd prefer to have 50 presets for some filters. |
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| Posted: May 10, 2012 2:01 am | ||||||
lipebianc
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That's the saddest moment of filter forging...you get attached to some presets, it's hard to let them go 
25 to 30 would be sweet! Not too little neither too much 
50 to 100 would be nice for only some specific filters, but I'm afraid FF will need another new button for the lazy: "Random Factory Preset Picker"  "From the moment we are born, we start being filtered..." |
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| Posted: May 10, 2012 2:14 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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Why we have to keep deleting and keeping the filter user with this very limited 20 presets? If regretably and this would not be possible there is also an alternative Be able to share and download presets from the filters that you make ? Could we have a easy way to be able to export/import filter inside Filter Forge so we could share the presets we have created ? |
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| Posted: May 14, 2012 2:08 am | ||||||
Kraellin
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one of the hardest things i do when submitting a filter is erasing my presets down to 20. i often test and fiddle with filters for a while, adding more and more presets as i go. with each version of the filter i make, those same presets get carried forward. by the time i'm ready to submit, i may have 30 to 50 presets made and in a few rare cases, even more. thus, i like the idea of a larger allowance on this.
but, i'm also aware that the more presets you add, the more pre-rendering you have to wait for during submission and the larger the overall file is going to be to upload and thus download to the end user. nice makes a pretty good display on the website. 20 makes a pretty good high limit for most folks, i would think and does save time, but somehow i would also like to have that 100 limit and a few of mine even have over 500 presets. so, maybe like someone else suggested, there's an 'advanced' option for doing the larger preset allowance? If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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| Posted: May 20, 2012 4:58 pm | ||||||
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Morgantao
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Nope. 
The submition wizard only renders the first 9 presets + 4 map renders (for surface filters). |
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| Posted: May 20, 2012 5:56 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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As MOrgantao said very well, ONLY the first 9 presets are rendered and NONE of the other presets take space inside the filter and DOES NOT make it larger, because the presets are ONLY TEXT and not images, so the overall file is not going to be larger or more difficult to download.
OH YES !!! I understand you very well, I in the last filter I wanted to submit I had 50 presets and the very limited 20 presets was a very hard thing to choose ONLY 20 presets to be included  , why you have to choose and loose some very good and interesting ones?
BUT is not ALL lost here, now thanks to a way we have found (Morgantao and me) it is already possible to share those extra excess presets that you may have. Please see all these threads How to be able to share FILTER PRESETS in the forum of FF filters ? Here in this thread link above there are two presets files for you to try if you want DO NOT DELETE THE PRESETS before submitting the filter to the library Be able to share and download presets from the filters that you make ? |
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| Posted: May 21, 2012 3:29 am | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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I am sorry to bring back this thread BUT now that there will be FF 4.0 in development I think that this is a important thing (at least for me) and I would suggest to be able to have at least 30 or 40 factory presets as default and NOT ONLY 20 as it happens now.
Why still limit it to 20 presets? I understand that would be possibly bad to put a high number, but 30 or 40 is not so much, and would help very much to offer a wider variation of presets on filters that can have many possible results with different settings and combinations. |
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| Posted: September 21, 2012 4:43 am | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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YES, YES, This is why I am asking for this, it happens the same to me, I have made more than 50 presets, then I leaved the best ones and most useful and deleted 10 of them, so I have now 40, and do not know HOW to reduce 20 MORE presets to be able to submit it to the library, is a very hard thing to do and time wasting and frustrating that you can´t be able to show all the possible ways this filter could be used and had to select Which ones is going to be included. I do not know why is not allowed more than 20 as the FF library ONLY show 9 of them, so it not something to do with it.
YES! It would be also very useful and helpful IF there could be also some possible management, customization and organization of the presets, and you could be able to move and reaarrange and organize the order of the presets and be able to delete factory presets that you do not like and put in first positions the factory presets that you like most. Already suggested here --> Please, Please, Be able to move and organize the filter presets in 4.0 |
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| Posted: September 21, 2012 8:21 am | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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Sorry for putting this back again but I think that for updating and changing the limit presets fr om 20 to 30 or 40 it does not require any work at all (unless there is some technical reason or any other thing) and would not take any time of developers to make this, just change the lim it from 20 to another value.
And I think this is important for showing better the filters and give more possible options and presets on more complex filters. |
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| Posted: September 27, 2012 2:40 am | ||||||
Carl
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no no no I don't want this, 20 is more than enough ....... if you could delete FP then maybe ....... other wise no no no....... if you can't get an idea of what the filter is capable of in 20 presets, then something is terrible wrong. Let the user random or tweak to find the possibilities, it will be satisfying, to the user and stops having to find your own tweaking 50 or what ever presets down ..... all I can say is Vlad no no no please don't ....... sorry SR nothing personnel but stop it |
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| Posted: September 27, 2012 3:49 am | ||||||
Skybase
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This actually is one of those requests that concern the scale of what we do as well. As an author, I tend to develop filters which work with the next-variant button, now sometimes this isn't the case but in many cases I try to work with the next-variant button. By being able to randomize results in a clear, consistant, designer-approachable manner the wealth of applicable results increases. So filters, ideally should have meaningful controls which don't restrict the user's ability to change a specific property or on the opposite end, not be too restrictive. Given that results would be expectable and wouldn't betray the end-user's needs or wants. So given that, if the results are driven in such a manner, you basically have 30,000+ presets already at your finger tips, you just have to stop and choose one.
Now that is the case with ideal conditions. Most cases filters submitted to the library may not work in favor of the end-user's needs. This is part because interests are different with every author and some filters structurally just don't work with the next-variant button. In this case it's definitely a good choice to have a lot of preset options as "starting points" for new designs to emerge. Having said that given at the scale of what we do, it may partially be necessary to increase numbers of presets as a logical stance, but it becomes hugely unnecessary after a certain number, I don't know what that number is but I don't care if there are slots for 50 presets, and I personally won't use that many and I'd leave it open for the users to fill that gap up. In simple terms I'm saying, "Larger the number, the more confusing but it wouldn't make a huge deal out of it. I'd welcome it." Remember, if its a small filter with 3 controls, there's almost no point of having 50 presets for that unless those 3 controls provides you with everything in the world. Where a filter with 20+ controls may require a large amount of presets to get the user started on something. The last thing I want to comment on this is that people just blatantly use presets "as-is" and call the result "their work." Now I can't change that and I won't bother, but if you have 50 presets ready to go and each are pretty original and you put a lot of effort into developing nice-looking presets, you're basically giving away 50 pieces of your own work unless you intend that. I know presets are "a small thing" and I don't care what happens next. But I just wanted to give people a bit of word on the matter since presets are important to have since they do show off the flowery-goodness of the filter. Those are just some of the things I thought of as an author when I began reading through the forum. Overall, it's not a bad suggestion. *shrug* |
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| Posted: September 27, 2012 4:43 am | ||||||
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Carl
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pointless and seem to only cater to the ego of the author, I guess this is what it's about! ..... let make it 100 preset, let make it 1000, lets make it harder for for the end user to find there own tweaks .... again you can't delete FPs ... again if you can't show the qualities of a filter with 20 preset, let go let user experiment .............. why do you want to show more? |
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| Posted: September 27, 2012 5:57 am | ||||||
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Skybase
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I mean I don't think it's an issue just because they increase numbers to 50 open slots. It won't affect our FilterForging experience, won't change the editing process as much, overall it won't make much difference anywhere. It'll make a difference for SOME people of course but I honestly rarely see people who manage to fill up 20 preset slots  |
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| Posted: September 27, 2012 8:36 am | ||||||
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