Filter Forge - Be able to have the FF Filter Snippets INSIDE the filter editor to use

SpaceRay

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My suggestion is to have INSIDE the Filter Editor a new pane, or tab, or whatever, where you could have direct access to the FF filter snippets that you have downloaded and available in your FF library

The main point of making Snippets is to help others making filters, so it would be much better if they could be available fr om inside the Filter Editor directly

As it is now, there are lots of interesting, useful and great snippets available in the FF Library, but the problem with them is that they are OUTSIDE of the filter editor, so if you are making a filter and you want to add a snippet you need to do the following

* save the filter you are working on
* close filter editor
* search in the FF library for the snippet you want
* open the snippet in filter editor
* copy all the components of the snippet
* close filter editor
* search again for the filter you have been working
* paste the snippet in your own filter

As I see it, is a lot of things to do for ONLY using one of the snippets in your own filter.

AND what happens if you want to have 2 snippets ? Duplicate all this twice !!

So as suggested in the begginning if the Filter Snippets could be available INSIDE the Filter Editor it would be MUCH faster, easier, useful and time saving, and would be as follows.

While working on your filter in filter editor

* open the tab or pane wh ere the Filter Snippets are
* search for the snippet you want
* select it or double clicking would be copied to your filter

That´s ALL !!

Or an alternative possible way if this is not possible or difficult

* open the tab or pane wh ere the Filter Snippets are inside filter editor
* search for the snippet you want
* select it or double clicking would open a new filter editor window with that snippet inside
* copy the components of the snippet
* close the snippet filter editor window
* paste the snippet in your filter

I think this would be very useful, time saving and very good to have

Thanks very much

Posted: August 2, 2012 1:13 am

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Morgantao

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+1 million smile;)

Posted: August 24, 2012 6:04 pm

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Skybase

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Macros: probably been suggested a million times but we need it badly.

Posted: August 24, 2012 9:23 pm

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SpaceRay

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I have thought that perhaps there is something MUCH easier than all this above, and is simply to allow to open TWO filter editor windows instead of only one and I do not think that allowing to open 2 filter editor windows would be something complex to do and would be much simpler solution.

I mean that if you can open TWO filter editor windows, you could open two different filters at the same time and so it would be really easy to copy and paste components between them

Also you could make a special filter that would work as an storage place to keep all the components you want ALREADY CONFIGURED as you want and not with the factory defaults presets, and also you have YOUR FAVORITE GROUP OF COMPONENTS as a kind of snippets (using the color control component to identify them with text like if they was stickers) and so would me much easier to have things in one place instead of searching for them in the FF list.

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Skybase wrote: Macros: probably been suggested a million times but we need it badly.

Considering the suggestions that has been done already, I think it needs 5 millions times until FF Inc. decides to include and make the suggested feature smile;)

Posted: August 25, 2012 2:52 am

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SpaceRay

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Another way I have just thought is to have two columns pane in the right side, I mean that now you can open the components window or pane will all the available components, and could be added another same window/pane that could have the FF snippets that you have downloaded so they could be very easy to use.

Also in this same new window/pane could be possible that you could add your own choosen components with your own configurations.

Posted: August 25, 2012 5:19 am

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SpaceRay

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Skybase wrote: Macros: probably been suggested a million times but we need it badly.

How Macros would help to make this feature suggested above possible inside FF?

As far as I know Macros are a list of commands or actions that perform something inside the program. For example, in Photoshop, the recorded "Actions" are like macros. This is like a mini program or a script that works inside the program.

BUT I am sorry I can´t think how a macro could be useful to have the FF Library Snippets included in the Filter editor window

Posted: August 27, 2012 4:59 am

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Skybase

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Good job SpaceRay, you completely failed my test on Macros.

I'm kidding, most people don't understand what the hell I'm talking about. So you basically scratched the definition of a macro in regards to Photoshop. Photoshop (or anything else like this) is a step-by-step operation based program and so when we talk about macros in that program, it's about repeating the steps again.

In FilterForge the application is different but the idea is the same. Imagine being able to zip a bunch of components into 1 single component. Each component IS an operation, a group of components performing to create a specific result would be a macro in this case.

So when I say "macro" I'm not talking about running the software using a set of actions, I'm talking about a set of operations inside of the editor.

Posted: August 27, 2012 7:58 am

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SpaceRay

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Skybase Good job SpaceRay, you completely failed my test on Macros. I'm kidding, most people don't understand what the hell I'm talking about. So you basically scratched the definition of a macro in regards to Photoshop.

As I did not understand it, is the reason why I have asked smile:D

You have explained it very well in the Loop component thread

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From the The idea of macros is like scrippets. You know how you typically copy-and-paste huge loads of nodes? Well imagine bundling the set of operations into 1 component and using that as a component. That's a macro. The ability to bundle a bunch of operations is very very useful because you can nest specific operations instead of having components everywhere.

It makes sense to use the macro as a FOR LOOP since it's a bundled package of a couple nodes. So that basically allows us to expand into different levels of visual complexity without having to find work arounds or copy-and-paste huge loads of the same thing.

BUT if all above is true, and I understand it right I still do not understand how would be possible to have the FF snippets that you have downloaded from the library inside the same window of the filter editor

UNLESS you mean that each snippet (group of components) could be converted to a macro AND then could be stored in some way inside the components part, so this way would really be like I am suggesting and would be good to do it this way.

Posted: August 27, 2012 8:41 am

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Imagine being able to zip a bunch of components into 1 single component.

I won't promise anything specific but please wait for the 4.0 beta smile:)

Posted: August 27, 2012 8:49 am

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Morgantao

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I won't promise anything specific but please wait for the 4.0 beta

Sounds promissing smile:D

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UNLESS you mean that each snippet (group of components) could be converted to a macro

Yep, that's the idea. If you could group a set of components you use all the time, as one big component, you could call it a macro. To take it one step further, if you want to repeat a certain operation 5 times, you could group the whole bunch of nodes togather and put the macro 5 times, instead of having a gazilion components repeating on the editor. That is untill we have a loop component, which will do the same for us. smile:)

Posted: August 27, 2012 2:08 pm

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SpaceRay

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Now that you can GROUP components in FF 4.0, and make a new component from a snippet, it would be really good if you could INCLUDE or ADD this new group to the components list, OR be able to add this to the filters list in a way that you do not have to close the filter editor to be able to put this new group inside the already open filter.

Posted: September 14, 2012 4:44 am

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Vladimir Golovin
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Bringing user-added or downloadable grouped snippets (both official and community-made) into the FF interface is definitely a good idea. We've had some internal discussions about it a while ago.

Don't expect it in this release though, as we already have a lot of work on our hands (the main thing being fixing the groups).

Posted: September 14, 2012 4:54 am

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SpaceRay

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Thanks very much for answering, if this would not be possible now, what about a very easy alternative that is just be able to OPEN TWO FILTER EDITOR WINDOWS?

More information here --> Allow to open TWO filter editor windows to be able to copy components

Posted: September 14, 2012 5:02 am

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Skybase

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Man... I've never seen such an avid software user that begs the developer to see other threads of individual interests.

Posted: September 14, 2012 5:38 am

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SpaceRay

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Skybase Man... I've never seen such an avid software user that begs the developer to see other threads of individual interests.

I am very interested in this, as I think that this would be really useful and very helpful and would really love to see this being implemented in FF 4.0, and I do not think (really do not know) that this could be really very difficult to make.

Posted: September 14, 2012 10:29 am

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lol I'm really just surprised how intense some of the forum posts are going at. smile;)

Posted: September 14, 2012 10:31 am

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