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SpaceRay
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I know from searching in the forums that FF will not include any kind of new control component for showing a dropdown menu for showing the names of the blend modes and choose one of the 19 available.

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James wrote:
Unfortunately no as a dropdown list is not available as a control. So currently it is best to just have a regular Blend node and int slider.


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Vladimir Golovin wrote:
Dropdown (a.k.a List Control) was put on indefinite hold because it was going to take too long to implement (it requires a serious redesign of Filter Forge's infrastructure for control components).


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Vladimir Golovin wrote:
We've dropped the List controls because they're way more complex to implement and use than the controls Filter Forge currently has -- and we never regretted that. Loric, the programmer who did controls and remappers, literally bows to me every time he remembers that I scrapped the List controls


So there is no hope in having a dropdown menu inside FF to sel ect by name the blend modes fr om OUTSIDE of the filter editor.

As James have said well, the alternative is to use the "int slider" connected to the blend modes component, and then choose the blend mode with the numbers.

I suposse and think that the numbers are corresponding exactly to position of the blend modes in the FF list inside the Filter Editor, so all you need is to have a list of those blend modes showing the associated number on it somewhere else.

I have attached below a corresponding number list.

I do not know if this list could be added in a future version of FF as a graphical text reference in the settings tab ? (of course only if the filter includes the int slider control for choosing blendding modes)


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Sphinx. wrote:
You can always just set up multiple blends with preselected blend modes and then hook them up with the switch to use only a selection of blend modes.


How could you do this ? how preselect the the blend modes with the multiblend ?

Can you give then names to this preselect blend modes ?

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Vladimir Golovin wrote:
We discussed this numerous times -- search the forums for 'List controls' or 'List control'.

To a certain extent, this can be done with checkboxes -- their remappers allow to set specific target list numbers for every controlled/remapped input.


Can this be done with checkboxes ? Please, How could I do it to select the blend modes with checkboxes ?

I suposse that you must make a checkbox for each of the blend modes that you want to make available, as the checkbox control only is one option, on/off.

Sorry for the basic questions as I am beginning to learn about FF filter editor.
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Here below is the list I have told above. Please click on it to see it larger

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Morgantao
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You can always just set up multiple blends with preselected blend modes and then hook them up with the switch to use only a selection of blend modes.


What you do is add as many blend components as you need blends, then output them to a switch. Let's say that in your filter you want to give an option for [Normal], [Multiply] or [Overlay]. What you do is put 3 blend nodes in the editor. Each gets the same foreground and background to blend, but each blend node is set to a different blend (One [Normal], one [Multiply] and one [Overlay]). Now connect the 3 nodes to a switch, and put an int slider to the switch with max value of 3.


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Can you give then names to this preselect blend modes ?


No. The user will stil see numbers. But instead of playing with 19 blend modes which most give unwanted results, you have only as many as you need - 3 in the example above.
You use this method when you only have 3 or more blend modes available for the user.

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Can this be done with checkboxes ? Please, How could I do it to select the blend modes with checkboxes ?


Yes and no. You can use a checkbox to select between only 2 blend modes.
Let's say that in your filter you want to give a choice of EITHER [Multiply] OR [Overlay]. What you do is put a blend node and connect a Checkbox component to it's blend mode. In the checkbox node you have an option to use remapping. when you select remapping, you will see next to the blend mode input another little box. Click it and you can select the ON number and the OFF number. In this example, choose 3 and 10 as on\off modes, and you get [Multiply]\[Overlay].
You use this method when you only have 2 blend modes available for the user.
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SpaceRay
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Thanks really very much Morgantao for the detailed explanation in the post above, It helps much and I will try it to see how could I use this in the best possible way in my filters.

It is true that most probably you will NOT need to have all 19 blend modes available to get good results in a specific filter.

I have seen this interesting article in this website

Five Essential Blend Modes For Photo Editing

And more in this Google search
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Morgantao
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You can never have too many blend modes. Never know when you're gonna need to use one of them, but for the most part, those five will do the trick.
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SpaceRay
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Morgantao wrote:
You can never have too many blend modes. Never know when you're gonna need to use one of them, but for the most part, those five will do the trick.


Of course that never you can have too many blend modes, and I agree with you that you do not know when you will need them

BUT I was refering to make blend modes selections for specific filters that would NOT get surely any good effect using some of the blend modes, so you could reduce the 19 list to the ones that really would work well with that filter and could really be useful, and do not mess with the whole full list, SPECIALLY and IMPORTANT is because the list ARE NUMBERS AND NOT NAMES, so in the filter description (about tab) you could put the equivalence of the numbers to the blend modes names.
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Morgantao
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Yep, you can use the 5 blend modes with a switch trick I explained and have just those numbered 1-5 in your filter, and in the description you can explain which one is what.
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SpaceRay
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I wish it could be any trick or hack to add NAMES to choose the blend modes instead of just numbers. Perhaps any kind of control box, but I do not think that this would be possible.
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SpaceRay
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Sphinx. wrote:
use several blends (one for each mode), and hook them up to the switch


As Sphinx has not been able to answer to this, please, does somebody else could think or know a possible way to make this in a good way ?

Thanks very much

FF BLEND MODES COMPONENT - PRINT THIS TO HAVE IT NEAR THE MONITOR



Meanwhile I will print and paste this table near my monitor so I can easily make a reference to what the numbers are related to name of the blend mode so I do not go crazy when trying to make a filter
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SpaceRay
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Sorry to bump this thread agian, but I think that it would be great if FF 4.0 could have some kind of way to SHOW the blend mode instead of just numbers, I do not mean to have a drop down menu, I mean to have a slider but that could show names instead of numbers

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Sphinx
use several blends (one for each mode), and hook them up to the switch


If you do this the result is the same in the way that you will not know which one is it, you will only see numbers and not what the name of the blend mode is

This is ALREADY implemented and available inside the Filter Editor when clicking on remapping and it SHOWS the name of the blend mode instead of showing a number so now it would be good to have this OUTSIDE of the filter editor
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SpaceRay
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I have been making a new filter that includes Blend Modes, and I feel that is not at the same to have to this list shown here below printed at the side of the monitor than having the actual name of the blend modes in the settings panel instead of only numbers.



Not everyone remembers what the equivalent number of the wanted Blend Mode, and also not everybody surely has this list above printed near his monitor to see it, so it would be a very good to have the names of the blend modes as it happens already in other software, instead of just only numbers.
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SpaceRay
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i have made an alternative way using checkboxes with names and have made a filter snippet to show it that you can see here in this thread

How to mix 3 Multiblend components results into only 1?

The problem I have is that I do not know how to mix the results of the 19 blend modes
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SpaceRay
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Hello again, I made already a filter to in someway be able to show the names of blend modes on the settings pannel and choose them by name and not with a slider with numbers, but I feel that this maybe could be done in a different way, or optimized in some way and make it cleaner and ask if anyone may be a different idea or this is really the only way to do it?

I mean if you could have maybe a better idea on how to choose selectively what blend modes you want to include on a filter. Because it could happen that you may want o include only 4 blend modes 1, 5, 8 and 15, and there is no way to remap or do this with a slider

Blend modes with names on settings filter

A Possible alternative to a drop down menu

Seeing the image above with the blend mode list, I may think that instead of having a drop down menu, it could open a floating panel with this list where you could use a checbox (or whatever) to choose the name mode you want
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