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SpaceRay
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(I think this is also available to FF 2.0)

As in FF 3.0 you do not have any TEXT component to import and input fonts, letters and text words because you would need vectors

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Technically, fonts are a special case of vectors, and in order to implement fonts we'll have to implement vectors first. Which means loading them from PSDs. Vectors would involve a new kind of components


BUT I have thought in a alternative way to be able to import and load font letters into FF 3.0 !! Well they are NOT system fonts like for example Opentype or Truetype.

I am refering that it can be OTHER kind of alphabets of fonts letters that is already available in lots of websites on internet. These are called PSD Fonts, or PNG´s fonts.

These PSD Fonts are specially designed images in the shape of the alphabet letters you already know.

So these are images you can load them without problem inside Filter Forge using the "color control" component allowing for images.

BUT this PSD Fonts are NOT keyable fonts, (can be used with the keyboard) they are images with background transparency, so EACH letterform or shape will need to be hand set and composed to make a word.

WHAT is good is that there are really fantastic, wonderful and amazing PSD fonts designs and is much more open than System fonts that are ONLY BLACK!

For example these are PSD Fonts

HoneyComb Alphabet



This other one here is FREE from this website link here



And this is another cheap paid PSD Font

High Quality Splashy Letters Alphabet



THESE ARE JUST A VERY FEW OF THE THOUSANDS AVAILABLE IN LOTS OF WEBSITES

In the following posts I will put more examples and some website sources

Here is how is seen the PNG´s Letters inside Filter Forge editor

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SpaceRay
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All these can ALSO be used WITHOUT FILTER EDITOR in any filter that have color control component with the "Allowed images" available.

You just go to the settings tab and choose your fonts to use in the filter, as you can see in this screenshot

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ALSO using Photoshop or any other similar software, you can make your own words using this letters, save them as PNG with transparency, and load them in the same way into Filter Forge.

as shown in the screenshot below

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PLEASE BE AWARE THAT YOU CAN´T SAVE PNG 24 WITH TRANSPARENCY DIRECTLY IN PHOTOSHOP

To be able to save PNG 24 with Transparency included you MUST use the Script "Export Layers to files" available in the "file" menu

For this to work right you must have a transparent background, and them compose your words, or standalone letters in layers, and then when ready and finished, you have to use the Script "Export Layers to files" to load the results.

You can decide then where to export the files and must select PNG 24 with transparency

You decide if you want that Photoshop trims the final image result to cut unused space and keep the image result as tight as possible.

Also the trim is good to save words separately, I have made the "Filter Forge" words in the same fle with 2 layers, but when I choose to active "trim" the export layers script will svae each layer separately and cut the unwanted and wasted space to the minimum.

YOU MUST HAVE AT LEAST 2 LAYERS FOR the Script "Export Layers to files" to work

If you have just one layer, then you can add any dummy false layer to fool the script

See the screenshot below

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SpaceRay
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THE BAD SIDE OF USING PSD (or PNG) FONTS

You can´t use any of this PSD fonts for building a filter and then submit it to the Filter Library, as it will not work because YOU CAN ONLY use the images available from the images built-in library.

UPLOAD TO YOUR OWN FILTERS PAGE THE MISSING PSD FONTS OR WORDS

BUT there could be a possible alternative, you could make the filter as you can in your computer using words or letters created by you, and then when submitting the filter, change the letters for built-in images of FF. Probably the result will not look BUT you can explain in the about tab, or in the forum page of your filter that you must use the given fonts or letters that you could upload to your own "commnents filters" page and so everyone could use your filter with your own letters or words as you have designed it.

ALSO of course that this advice and suggestions here can be used for your own personal and private designs and works and do not need to submit to the FF library.
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SpaceRay
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I said before that the PSD Fonts need to have transparency, well this is true usually, BUT not ALWAYS, as there are also many other PSD fonts that are full complete images without any transparency

For example this one here below

Mechanical Alphabet



AND this is also available as a vector file, and there are other PSD fonts that are made as Vector files, so you can enlarge them as much as you want and then after convert them back to JPG or PNG.

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And there is more complex PSD fonts that would never be possible to make in any other way as this one below

Alphabet in Fire



_________________________________3D RENDERED PSD FONTS_____________________________


ALso there are MANY fonts that are made with 3D rendering software that are available as PSD, for example this one below is just one of the many more available.

Ivy Alphabet + Numbers



And this other one too

3D Macabre Alphabet/Numbers



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AND this pencils tied toghether that seems to be in 3D

Pencil Alphabet





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FRIED EGG PSD FONT FOR USE WITH FRIED EGG FILTER BY CRAPADILLA
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Eggs Alphabet




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BIGGEST CREATIVE INNOVATIVE AND HIGH QUALITY PSD FONTS IS FR OM WWW.HANDMADEFONT.COM



You can see until the huge collection of 352 different FONTS created by this great design group.

Although the problem is that they are very expensive

http://www.handmadefont.com/type44.php

PLEASE SEE HERE 80 PHOTOS WITH WORDS ALREADY MADE WITH THESE FONTS !!!

PLEASE SEE IN THIS LINK HERE 80 PHOTOS WITH WORDS ALREADY MADE WITH THESE FONTS !!!




HERE IS A INTERESTING LINK WITH PHOTOS ON HOW THEY MAKE THE FONTS AND SOME EXAMPLES OF WORDS

http://www.behance.net/gallery/Handmade-font/1727883



As said here above, I will be back with more examples and other websites where you can get this lovely and beautiful fonts.
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Rod_D
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Thanks for the great links to the fonts.I can create some PHF fonts with these!

I create PHF fonts for a plugin for Photo Shop "PhotoFont Start" (which i use in Gimp). smile:)
Otherwise known as "Photo Fonts". These are also a image font type.

http://www.gimpchat.com/viewtopic.php...photofonts

So if you want a particular font (PHF) created fr om images just tell me wh ere to get the images and i will create them for you.

The photofont file format specification is publicly available. It is based on open standards such as XML and PNG.

The plugin that runs the fonts is free.You can get it here.
Website and information -
http://www.fontlab.com/photofont/photofont-start/

Direct downloads for the plugin
Windows - http://www.font.to/downloads/demos/PS2Win.exe
MAC - http://www.font.to/downloads/demos/PS2MacCS3.hqx

It works quite well in Gimp with the PSPI (photoshop plugin initialization), plugin.
Image example of a font i just finished for another person.Soon to be released free!


You can also download Xnview FREE and use the plugin in it. smile:)
Rod
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Rod_D Thanks very much for the links, I will see them.

It is really very interesting, and I did not know that you can WRITE text using Photofonts !!!!!
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SpaceRay
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For Rod_D_How do you make the PHF Photofonts ?

http://filterforge.com/forum/read.php?FID=15&TID=9522

Feel free to write your answer in this thread here or in the other one, I just made the other to let you know about this.
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SpaceRay
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If you want MORE examples of PSD Fonts or PNG´s Fonts please look at this Google Images link

Or if this link does not work search in google images for "stock photo alphabet"





This a great idea to make an alphabet made of bolts smile8)

GREAT Idea to make this complex collage with LOTS of food making the shape of letters !!!
Please, See all of them in this Google Images link

Or if this link does not work search in google images for "stock photo alphabet of health"



DO not miss to see this beautiful and great looking FIRE ALPHABET Letters In this Google Images Link



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Skybase
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Actually I'm designing a set of filters that'll process flat images to produce neat little effects. So like you can type something out in Photoshop, rasterize it, then apply the effect and it'll change the fonts to something like you see above. smile;) Fun stuff!
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SKybase wrote:

Actually I'm designing a set of filters that'll process flat images to produce neat little effects. So like you can type something out in Photoshop, rasterize it, then apply the effect and it'll change the fonts to something like you see above. Fun stuff!


WOW! This a very good idea and could be very interesting and useful ! Thanks very much for thinking about this and making filters that could do this kind of work. Great news.
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SpaceRay
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AND ALSO VERY NICE FLOWER ALPHABET

As you can see in this Google images for "Flower Alphabet"

AND also in this other this other Google images search

Or search in google images for "stock photo flower alphabet"















For more letters of this kind please see this link on Google images

Or search in google images for "alphabet made of bolts"

AND also using DICES.





For more examples, please see this Google images search

Or search in google images for "Dice Alphabet"
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Rod_D
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I can create a animated GIH or Gimp Image Hose brush that can use a path (a shape of a letter), and animate a brush along a path.
This is how i created the GrassyVine font.
First i typed some text - then i cleared the fill - then i made a PATH from the selection.
This gave me a path to use brush along path.After that i just had to shrink (contract) the selection and keep running the brush along the selection.
Soon it was filled in. smile:)

I could easily create a nuts and bolts GIH animated brush to do this also.
In fact i think a Python script for Gimp can be written to do this for me.I will have to look into that. smile:)
Rod
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Rod_D wrote:

Hose brush that can use a path (a shape of a letter)


Thanks for the advice and tips, and this has given me an idea, that probably and perhaps could work (I do not know becuase I have not tried it) and it is that the Corel Paint ShopPro Software also has a hose brush (regretably Photoshop after SO MANY years it is not available yet) and perhaps could be used in the same way, but I do not know if you could fill a shape with the hose brush following a path or a selection in this software.
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Rod_D
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I never used Coral Painter before so i do not know if it even has a paths tool. smile:)
Gimp has a unique set of path tools.One of which is stroke path with a paintbrush.
This includes animated brushes. I am working on a new nuts and bolts image hose now.

Howler 7.1 is Dog Waffles new baby. smile:)
It has a brush called Orbicles.3-D particles floating (actually animated), around the brush tip.Very cool. I may give that a try also.

I received word from Hemera at BMSoftware about Photo Objects.They are sending me a package (cost was 69.05 USD). It contains 25 thousand textures with the PhotoFont Maker included.They have another one they call Big Box of Art which contains 150 thousand images/textures.I didn't buy that one they wanted 89 for it.
I will let you know how it works when the cd's arrive.Sadly it comes only by snail mail and no download link so i will have to wait. smile:(
Rod
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SpaceRay
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I forgot to put here that is also possible to make this graphical PSD shapes inside FF using the great and excellent Shape of Things by CFandM



AND what is better is that I have discovered a new and interesting way to make fonts and letters, and not only simple letters, also complete texts using the full text as a mask



And using small objects to fill the texts.
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Lucato
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Cool stuff guys!
By reading this thread it thrilled myself and I created one creative filter for FF that you get to do the whole alphabet at once or just a letter, it is up to you.
See an example:

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Lucato
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By using my filter above named as "Fill PhotoFont Basic" which get to load up to 5 transparent images. I just created for example the 5 transparent images by using another FF filter by Sjeite, the "Mad Bottle Factory" and used my filter to create this photo font/text:

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Morgantao
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That looks cool, Lucato smile:)
Did you upload the filter to the library?
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Lucato
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Sure, I'll share with FF community. ;0)
When it gets approved, I mean, if it passes in the approval queue, I'll create a thread, share your fonts creations with "Fill PhotoFont Basic". :0)
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SpaceRay
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Lucato:

By reading this thread it thrilled myself and I created one creative filter for FF that you get to do the whole alphabet at once or just a letter, it is up to you.


Great, cool and nice idea!!! Well done.

Like the examples you have done.

Does it work with external alphabet masks or the alphabet is made inside FF? smile:?:

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Lucato:
Sure, I'll share with FF community


Thanks very much for sharing this with the FF community

Will wait to see HOW you have done this and how it works.
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Lucato
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Hi SpaceRay, you're welcome.

It works with external alphabet. You just need to create an image/layer with the single letter or the whole alphabet or a phrase or whatever you want with white backgroung and black text or inverted. If you're using Photoshop, you can use any font and type it, and need to rasterize the layer/font before use the plugin to make the font become an image and there you go! Just load the transparent images into each "slot" (up to 5), make the fine adjustments, and you're done!

The only internal alphabet used is the letter "O", but only when you check the test checkbox, just to test before using any image.

So, you can create a large image and type the whole alphabet in a single image and apply the filter at once, making all alphabet letters, numbers and symbols at once. ;0)

I hope the FF community enjoy it and I want to see the community creativity! :0)

It is a BASIC version, when I get time I'll create the Advanced and Pro version, and off course the community is free to improve it too. :0)
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Hello Lucato, thanks for your answer and explaining it in more detail, BUT I am sorry that I do not see what is, or can be different from the filter of Shape of Things by CFandM that makes the same that you are describing and in the same way to use the external fonts or alphabet.

I think I may be missing something or you have done it in another way, I will see how this is made when it is available in the FF Library
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Hi SpaceRay, I hadn't read all posts here from this thread and had noticed that you had mentioned the Shape Of Things by CFandM. Now after reading your comments above I went to compare them. Really, cool and yes you're right, they are basic the same, but the main difference, I think, is that on mine you don't need to load the main image (mask in Shape Of Things), you can use the actual layer in the graphic software (Photoshop) and other few adjustments as background color and so on. Well, check it by your own and make your conclusion. ;0)

It was already approved. Click here: Fill PhotoFont Basic by Lucato.

I'm sorry CFanM, I didn't see they are quite similar idea.
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SpaceRay
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The las post was In 27 August 2012 when it was expected that Filter Forge 4.0 was going to possibly release VECTOR SUPPORT and therefore also support for Fonts and letters, and it was not included

Now 3 years exactly, as today is August 27 2015 ( at least in Europe time) and we are with beta FF 5.0 and there is still NO news about vector support on FF

Would it be possible to have vector support on FF 5.0?

Anyway, in his hread I have shown of alternative way to use fonts amd letters inside FF and also in my alphabet filter (thanks to great and amazing alphabet done by ThreeDee)
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Would it be possible to have vector support on FF 5.0?


Sorry, no vectors. Though you can anticipate for something else in the beta stage 3 due in September.
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Thanks GMM for the news, so I will not be waiting for vectors again in 5.0

i will waiting instead for any new thing for beta 3
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lucato

Hi, SpaceRay, I hadn't read all posts here from this thread and had noticed that you had mentioned the Shape Of Things by CFandM. Now after reading your comments above I went to compare them. Really, cool and yes you're right, they are basic the same, but the main difference, I think, is that on mine you don't need to load the main image (mask in Shape Of Things), you can use the actual layer in the graphic software (Photoshop) and other few adjustments as background color and so on. Well, check it by your own and make your conclusion. ;0)


i am very sorry I did not answer before to your post, because I have missed it. it does not matter at all that you may have done a filter similar filter to the one made by CFandM, of course you can not know about all the filters in the library, and also as you say, they are not the same, and seems that your may be better in the way that you have said.

thanks for making and sharing it

The only problem is that I see is not coming from you, but from filter forge, that does not have a non-overlapping feature to be used by the bomber, so then it would be perfect, but it has been said that this will not be included in FF 5.0
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There are many more PSD fonts that are very original, cool, awesome and interesting, for example in this website with 535 fonts carefully hand made, innovative and creative

awesome and amazing Hand Made Fonts in PSD or TIFF format
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GMM wrote:
Though you can anticipate for something else in the beta stage 3 due in September.


*** Looks at calendar ***

Bitmap scripts not behaving? smile;)
--- Crapadilla says: "Damn you, stupid redundant feature requests!" ;)
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Crapadilla wrote:

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GMM wrote:
Though you can anticipate for something else in the beta stage 3 due in September.


*** Looks at calendar ***


YES!! Is true GMM said in September and we are now near November smile;) and there still no news about Beta 3
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Rod_D
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I believe stage 3 of Filter Forge 5 Beta will be released soon though. smile:)
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Rod_D wrote:
I believe stage 3 of Filter Forge 5 Beta will be released soon


I believe in it too smile:)
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SpaceRay
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Of course that I also believe that it will be arriving soon, and I am not in a hurry in any way, and do not care when it will arrive as I am not using FF now and if it did not arrive is only because the FF team could not do it yet, and is better to take time to do it right and well

it depends on what definition is SOON, as there are some places that is put "soon" and then takes 3 months or even more smile:D for example DAZ website and others
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