Claiming "created by"

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Carl wrote: I'm not alone, in this well established particular person taking glowing high praise in his creative artistic genius while he plunders our work and claims it as his own creations. smile:evil:

Thats the unfortunate side of the net...These people are claimed to be some sort of genius while theirs admirers have no clue from where their actually work came from...
Look at Linux and all the different companies that use certain distros in their hardware and don't even follow the GPL License agreements and claim as their own...(vold might chime in on this one)

My niece posted some stories that she wrote on the Fan-Fiction website that took her months to write...A day or two later she got a mail from a friend that someone had taken her stories word for word and put it on another website under a completely different name..She did however contact that site and they did take down the stories but still she had to go through that...

Some people are just oblivious to the real meaning of Creativity and Originality..

I know what can your saying, I so wanted to put the title of the thread [Edited by moderator].
He has gone through all his flickr texture and now changed it from " This artwork / seamless texture was created by myself, Patrick Hoesly" to "illustrated by ........."

This guy has his own site, blogs, books, sells on turbosquid.

I've scratch out his name from his blog capture below but if any one want to know his name email me

love how his website say "Yes I Can" I presume he means Yes he can rip off other peoples work and call it his own.

he created them in Photoshop in the writing below ThreeDee's Urban filter default preset


Don't get me wrong anyone reading this thread your welcome and entitled to use my texture in anyway you like, that is 100% fine and I'm happy if they are of a use to you. You don't have say anything about where you got it, who the original authors is etc I don't care about that. But don't claim that you created them with your own hard work

yep and evidently he created your Submarine Floor texture[ he has plundered virtually everyone here ] the guy an artistic genius as people in his threads tell him ............ you can imagine the disappointment of his clients if they find that he has simple taken some one else work and put his name on it, he has no integrity with this so it must run through all "his work".

For some others he does claim "This seamless texture was created by myself, [Edited by moderator], using Genetica Software"
And I've found a bunch of them on TurboSquid, either for sale or as free downloads...

Interesting, but OK according to the Eula, but he doesn't FF anywhere, nor the filter makers...

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Totte wrote: Interesting, but OK according to the Eula,

yes as I say you can do what ever you like with the textures, sell them, use them as screensaver, what ever you like, the eula clearly states that. It's portraying yourself as the person who had the idea,creativity and made that texture through there own skills that is what this guy has portrayed.

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Totte wrote: "This seamless texture was created by myself, Patrick Hoesly, using Genetica Software"

it wouldn't surprise me if he has altered those statements now that people are on to him

Hey Everyone,

Wow what a small world! I added a comment to this guys page under this one filter of mine:
" So you created it did you, do you have any trouble sleeping at night?"
He deleted it & now has blocked all comments to his flickr site!

What can be done about a person doing all of this?


http://www.flickr.com/photos/zooboing/4656114029/

http://www.filterforge.com/filters/7778.html

I would not buy a postage stamp from him!
I don't have the time to go through all 65 of his pages.

Have a GREAT day!

Ron

It is really sad Ron that people like this exist and it seem wrong to let them get away with it

Look Carl, he is even selling HiRes version as his own on TurboSquid, here is a your Clockwork:

http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview...l=ZooBoing

Woot! I finally got my own filters included! I, for one, am happy people get to enjoy my stuff, and I got nice usage bonus points from the renders this guy did.

I really don't understand why this issue keeps coming up, if you don't like people using your work with the legal rights that "royalty-free" licensing includes, just don't submit anymore.

I'm with KG on this: we shouldn't freak out about it. The guy is within completely within his rights.

Is he doing it in a classy way? No... he should give some props to the FF community, or at least to Filter Forge, inc.

(What exactly is the harm here, anyway? The same pics can be had straight from the filter pages.)

Hey: he's using one of my filters! (more HU points for me)

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CorvusCroax Wrote: I'm with KG on this: we shouldn't freak out about it.

I don't mind him using my filters, nor putting renders up on his website. What I do mind is the way he present it. He doesn't even mention FilterForge, nor that he has used filters, and reading the comments both in his threads and by following how his images have wandered around to different flickr groups, the general opinion is that he is a graphics genius. But OK, it is not illegal, just immoral in my opinion. Others that do sell textures do point out that the textures have been rendered with this or that application. He does mention Genetica in the description of textures made with that app (maybe that is a requirement in their EULA).

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Carl wrote: dare say your post will disappear by tomorrow

Was gone in about 90 minutes...

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KGtheway2B wrote: I really don't understand why this issue keeps coming up, if you don't like people using your work with the legal rights that "royalty-free" licensing includes, just don't submit anymore.

You really did miss the point Kg, I thought it was pretty clear

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Carl wrote: This is not about all the debate on the eula and people rendering presets etc!

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Carl wrote: Don't get me wrong anyone reading this thread your welcome and entitled to use my texture in anyway you like, that is 100% fine and I'm happy if they are of a use to you.

It is not about people using texture or selling them, that is a completely different issue or whether they are royalty free or any other licensing agreement is irrelevant. And I don't care about Hu points as reward points, other than a confirmation that people have liked and used the filter to enhance there own creative endeavours. Unfortunately "just don't submit" as glib and unconstructive as the line has become,it has had exactly that effect, with a list of excellent author not submitting any more, which is a loss to the community, FF and the people that buy the program.

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Carl wrote: You don't have say anything about where you got it, who the original authors is etc I don't care about that. But don't claim that you created them with your own hard work

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Carl wrote: As I am the creator of the texture and hold the copyright which I license to FF for people to download and use in whatever way they choose [ which is fine I don't have a problem with that ] but I do not give them the right to claim my work as there own creation/design/idea/illustration how ever you want to word it.

Craig explained it pretty well, kg maybe you could relate it to some thing you care about, as you are an engineering student, another student takes you assignment that you spent hour working on, inventing new bits to solve problems and simply removes your name and put his own name on the project and hands it in to your lecturer as his own work. Would that offend you?

Or Corvus you want to make games, same scenario, you spend the time making a game, some one removes your name and puts their own it and release it. Would you care than?

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CorvusCroax wrote: The guy is within completely within his rights

No that's not correct, he doesn't have the right to claim some one elses work as his own - nowhere in the ula do you give up the rights that you are the creater of the texture, nowhere in the eula does it state that you can claim that you are the original creater of the texture

I think the thing that bothers me most about his displaying these as his is that it looks like he is taking the DEFAULT texture each time. He doesn't even make any modifications and is still bold enough to slap his own tag on it.

I think there needs to be some significant changes for someone to claim the work is theirs.

Years ago when I was programming in Macromedia's Director they had a rule that you could make, use and sell anything you wanted, but the end product had to have their logo displayed somewhere in the credits or opening sequence.

So Gmm your saying he is complete with in his rights to claim that he is the original creater of a texture [ even when it is the default which has already been created by the author ] and that is stated in FF's Eula? And I'm not talking about his rights to sell all do what ever with the textures.

GMM maybe you quote that passage of the Eula

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Carl wrote: GMM maybe you quote that passage of the Eula

Sorry, in fact this is not the EULA but the filter upload license:

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You, the Licensor, hereby grant to the Licensee a non-exclusive and fully transferable, sublicensable and assignable license without any compensation to store, load, adapt, modify, revise, transform, alter, create derivative works, install, execute, display (to "Use") the Filter

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the Licensor shall be the owner of the copyright to the original Filter as provided and licensed to the Licensee hereunder provided that neither the Licensee nor its sublicensee(s) shall be required to retain original copyright notices.

The is the text he uses for all the textures:
Seamless texture illustrated by [edited by moderator] and released under the Creative Commons Attribution license. You may download and use this texture as you like. All that is asked is please give credit to myself and a link back to this Flickr page.
This is what annoys me...

A lot of you are presenting alternate examples: If I'd written a book, done an engineering problem or made a game that was subsequently stolen. Of course I'd be upset. I'm human and all three of those (well, I didn't do my homework very often so that might not apply as much) would be things I spent a lot of time and effort on.

Here's the fundamental difference. If I wasn't going to be OK with people using the work I created, I would include some sort of protection, my Novel I might have a copyright, my game I might include DRM, my homework- I wouldn't share it. With filterforge, I weighed the pros/cons of sharing [and having my work possibly misused (in a moral sense)] and decided that the usage stats and general charity won out.

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Don't get me wrong anyone reading this thread your welcome and entitled to use my texture in anyway you like, that is 100% fine and I'm happy if they are of a use to you.

Carl, I understood the complaints people have here. Though I didn't explicitly say so, my previous post was trying to explain that indeed: this is a non-issue. You seem to be a little hypocritical here in saying that you can use the texture in anyway you like (100% even!) however, when someone takes you up on the offer (as this blogger has done) you seem to have reverted to the lysol 99.9%.

I'm all for copyrights and protection of work, but you guys simply have to realize the consequences of when you click yes to that submission agreement that you're forfeiting pretty-much all of the usual protection you would incur. Is it an issue that people might withhold filters because of this -- yes, I'll concede that it is. I'm not convinced, however, that FilterForge Inc. is the entity that should be responsible for the solution. This is a strong, smart community, and I'm surprised that nobody has banded together and tried to make a third-party filter/texture marketplace. It would be somewhere where each author could protect his/her filters to whatever extent they felt necessary.

Oh well, 1st time poster William is here to straighten it all out, guess I can get back to coding filters to sell to FF, or wtf ever he seems to think makes it all happen behind the scenes ha-ha. <insert - really ? seriously ? you're not kidding ? smiley>

jffe

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Can a default preset fr om a filter even be re-licensed for protection.....And wh ere does that leave the filter author on using there own filter...Seems to me it would leave them open to lots of mails..

Lots of mails?

You can do whatever you want with the output of a filter. Since, by rendering it on your computer you have (according to the user agreement) created that output. A default preset isn't exempt fr om this, presets are simply a way for filter authors to share the flexibility of the filter.

Jffe, no need to be snide with William, this is a friendly community and first-timers shouldn't be assaulted simply because they misunderstand the process. I think filter creation is very-much a form of "coding". It's simply a visual representation, wh ere instead of variables, images are used to exchange information between functions (component nodes).

But CFandM is correct, beyond the reward incentive program, filter authors don't have much of an incentive to share, which is why I hold a lot of respect for those that continue to do so, because it shows a bit of good-hearted altruism.

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KGtheway2B wrote: Jffe, no need to be snide with William, this is a friendly community and first-timers shouldn't be assaulted simply because they misunderstand the process.

----He signed up (just_to_post_in_this_specific_thread) without even knowing how filters are made with FF ? You've gotta be kidding me....It's probably that guy who everyone is complaining about ha-ha. But whatever, the good news = I'll never be able to afford a lawyer, so it's a moot point even if there was any rent money to be made off textures made with FF, which I am quite confident at this point that there is not. So [Edited by moderator], or claim whatever ya want, it's all fun & games on the computernet eh.

jffe