Can you license someone's filter's outcome?

As long as it is the output and not the filter itself, there is no problem in licensing under whatever license you'd like. Licensing your filter in the FF library is not possible though.

I saw that guy @ deviantart once, but making a big fuzz about it here will not change anything (your post will most likely get deleted though).

position yourself in the creative team at Adobe, seeing someone's photograph heavily doctored by Photoshop. HEY, I designed that algorithm. I should sue!


I've had this thought before. My solution... sorry FF.. but it's to keep my most advanced and proprietary filters to myself. If I spend 20 hours building a complex and convoluted filter to output an image just the way I want it, and I don't want every other artist in the world, my competition, to turn around and be able to reproduce my look.... just say no to giving everything to the world.

For every filter that I make just for myself, I just don't upload it.

This type of thing is exactly the reason i haven't submitted any filters here in years. My view now is simply don't submit and there won't be someone posting my textures on any websites and happily taking the credit or profiting from it.

Well that idea sounds much better than submitting to the library. Having seen what some people do with FF content online now though and how they have no respect for the original authors i am almost put off ever doing it again.

If it is ffxml files my guess would also be that some people would just do slight mods and remixes then re-post them re-licensed for free or in some zip pack etc. I think this because many now associate FF with free to use and do whatever they want with. If someone was selling direct renders and there was some license i guess you might be able get a few textures taken down on sites though which is still better than the library.

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IONclad wrote: I could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure that if you produce a work that is designed for an artist to use, it's really not your work anymore, not in the way it's being discussed.

that depends wholly on the licensing. derivative works is one of the worst understood aspects of the u.s. copyright laws. basically, under just the copyright laws, derivative works almost always lose any court battle when the author of such hasnt obtained any rights from the original author(s).

but if you talk british law, then it's different. so, country plays a part in all this, too.

but, FF's eula is basically unrestricted to users, including resellers. and, one shld also remember that filters in the library are still copyrighted by the original authors. FF, inc. is only licensing these and does NOT claim any copyright on those filters. authors also own those filters they havent submitted to the library. so, one could simply start one's own website and sell the filters or sell the works from same.

the trouble with restricting one set of circumstances out from the others, like with the resellers is that you start having to make exception after exception, sometimes almost with every new filter and every new author and every new reseller and it also impedes or inhibits those folks who dont mind having the resellers resell. unrestricted use is ALWAYS easier to deal with, just like with photoshop and such.

Not to sound stupid, but you are creating a tool to create something else with.
The work created is not a derivative then is it?
It's like the producer of paint claiming copyright on a painting..
(with FF supplying the powder, oils etc.)

Personally, I think it would suck to have other people sell my work.
I've had experience with plagiarists and it's not fun, it's a real kick in the teeth actually (to me).
But really, you're depriving an enormous community (which could be even bigger) from a great filter.. because one jerk act's like himself.

I see it like this: if I submit all of my filters, and everybody does, it also means more, higher quality filters for me and everyone else. [full stop]

Now I haven't submitted many filters atm. because they are under construction (I only want to release the best).
But this is how I look at communities as a whole, there will always be assholes taking advantage of it, but ruining the community to prevent that is worse IMHO.