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SpaceRay
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I want to make this interesting and useful thread to take this out from the Film Noir comments filter page

This is a really HUGE topic and involves LOTS of things, and think that it deserves it´s own thread. Please for more information about this look at the second post. Thanks

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Mardar wrote:

These and many more public domain photos can be found on this site. Royalty Free


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CFandM wrote:

I noticed that you mentioned that the images that you've [ rightly ] used are copyright free for non-commercial use, there are many scources available for c/f pics.

I personnelly use either copyright free or my own pics. It is disappointing to see a slew of copyrighted images being used in the forum of late, not only is it morally corrupt to ignore others copyrights, it is illegal and can lead to legal action against the posters and FF [ which with in there own guidelines for forum use is not to use copyrighted material without consent, but as there is obvious breeches that they have not policed they are also liable ].

Harmless some may say, but wh ere do you draw the line, if it's acceptable to ignore the owners right in this way, what isn't acceptable to the forum members who use others work without the rights to do so.


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Morgantao wrote:

Carl, I agree there's some problematic issues with using copyrighted work without concent. It's something that is troubling artists all over the world these days, with the internet being the internet

I don't know exactly who came uup with this "law" or how legal this really is, but In most places it's considered your own work if you change the original enough. The question is, what's enough means...


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Mardar wrote:

Morgantao, please do a Google search on copyright laws. You will find they are real laws and they are taken very seriously. Changing someones original design whether slightly or not and claiming it as your own is a serious offense. I know this because I have shut down several thieves on Ebay for doing just that to images on my website and then profiting off my hard work. You really need to enlighten yourself on this issue. It is very important.
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SpaceRay
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Here I will put a short list of some of the laws about the Image copyright and problem with them on internet

FULL COPYRIGHT FAQ About Images on Internet by the Arts and Humanities Data Service and the Technical Advisory Service for Images

http://www.ahds.ac.uk/copyrightfaq.htm

Photo Rights, Photographers' Rights,Copyright Information and Resources

Beyond just taking photographs, photographers need to know about the legal issues. While the legal issues vary greatly depending on circumstances and location, there is some basic information that everyone should know.

http://photography.about.com/od/copyr...ources.htm

THE SEVEN DEADLY MYTHS OF INTERNET COPYRIGHT by Attorney David L. Amkraut

http://webnet77.com/webstuff/copyright.html

The following is a summary of important information regarding the use and misuse of photos on the Internet.

10 BIG MYTHS ABOUT COPYRIGHT EXPLAINED

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

Note that this is an essay about copyright myths. It assumes you know at least what copyright is -- basically the legal exclusive right of the author of a creative work to control the copying of that work.

What pictures on the internet can I freely copy and use?

http://nealwalters.hubpages.com/hub/W...y-and-use-

How to Protect Your Digital Photos from Being Copied

http://webdesign.about.com/od/graphics/a/aa102406.htm
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CFandM
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Don't think I said that... smile;) smile:)
Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times!
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SpaceRay
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CfandM you have started this, so you have said it right smile;) smile:)

WHAT IS ROYALTY FREE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royalty-free

ROYALTY FREE DOES NOT MEAN that you can use it freely and that it does NOT HAVE COPYRIGHT.

Royalty free or copyright free? Are they the same?

http://www.publicdomainsherpa.com/royalty-free.html

Royalty free generally means that you pay a one-time fee in exchange for the right to use a photograph (or some other work protected by copyright, patent, or trademark) according to agreed upon terms, with no ongoing license fees due for further use. It does not mean that the work is copyright free. That’s a misconception.

Copyright free means just what it says — a copyright free work is not protected by copyright. While you might have to pay a fee to obtain a copy of the work, your use will not be restricted unless you’ve agreed that it will be (in an enforceable contract). The term “copyright free” is often used, mistakenly, where copyrighted works are licensed to the public for free ... but with some restrictions on use.

IS IT LEGAL TO USE IMAGES FOUND ON INTERNET ?

http://photo.stackexchange.com/questi...e-internet

CREATIVE COMMONS

"Creative Commons is a non-profit that offers an alternative to full copyright."

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/

USE FLICKR IMAGES CREATIVE COMMONS LICENSE

Many Flickr users have chosen to offer their work under a Creative Commons license, and you can browse or search through content under each type of license.

You can search for images that have included this CC license, and you should respect this License conditions shown here

http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/

MANY OTHER WEBSITES THAT HAVE FREE PHOTOS AND IMAGES WITH CREATIVE COMMONS LICENSE

http://www.freephotobank.org/main.php

FreePhotoBank is a free stock photo site. Feel free to download pictures (up to 2048 pixels, Creative Commons licence)

LIST OF 8 FREE PHOTOS WEBSITES

http://www.publicdomainsherpa.com/royalty-free.html

Please go in the page where you find this text below to find the list

Free photos, not royalty free photos

Since this web site is about public domain works I don’t want to go off on a tangent. (Well, not a very big tangent, anyway.) That said, here’s a short list of 8 free photo sites. Not royalty free — free. (But not copyright free. You got that, right?)
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How And Where To Find Legal Source Images
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http://www.pxleyes.com/blog/2009/06/h...ce-images/

Finding legal sources for your contest entries is very important. “Googling” for images is not the way to go. Google only indexes the images, this does not mean they can be used for any purpose. You’ll have to verify on the original image page to see the license of the image.

Fortunately, there are plenty of websites where you can find quality royalty free stock photos to use in your entries. mymy – one of our moderators – decided to make some screenshots for the most important free stock photography sites. For each site, she will explain how to search these sites for good photos. She’ll also explain the licenses that come with the photos.

The following 4 websites are good places to get started (see them in the link above)

100 LEGAL SOURCES FOR FREE STOCK IMAGES

http://www.mlmsuccessmedia.com/resour...ck-images/

http://misternifty.com/creative/graph...ck-images/
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Mardar
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SpaceRay, Number one -the second quote in your first post is from Carl not CFandM.


And number two - My Mama had a saying that I have lived by for a long time. It goes something like this. "If you are going to scold your neighbor about having sh*t in their back yard, you better be damned sure you don't have any sh*t in your own back yard first." Just my humble opinion. smile;)
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CFandM
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Yep that was Carls post.... smile:) smile;)
Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times!
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SpaceRay
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Mardar wrote:

SpaceRay, Number one -the second quote in your first post is fr om Carl not CFandM.


OOOH, YES !!! OOPS! I am sorry I did put this in the wrong way and have changed the names, this is what happens when you use a browser that is incompatible with the quotes (Chrome and Safari) and have to copy by hand and transfer it to another thread so you do not have the reference.

Now I understand the message fr om CFandM smile;)

Sorry again to Carl and CFandM

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Mardar wrote:

And number two - My Mama had a saying that I have lived by for a long time. It goes something like this. "If you are going to scold your neighbor about having sh*t in their back yard, you better be damned sure you don't have any sh*t in your own back yard first." Just my humble opinion.


smile:?: smile:?: What do you mean with this smile:?: smile:?:

I have NOT accussed anyone of putting and using copyrighted things here in the forum, and would not do it.

Do you mean that I AM USING COPYRIGHTED images in the forum ????

Please can you show me a proof of this and why you are saying this ?

Please, can you give me more details and explain it, because If I am making something wrong I want to know it, so I stop doing it and can make it in the right way.

If this is because I sometimes use the internet to search images as example for some post and put the hot link to the image, this is not a copyright breach, and inside the link is the web that it belongs to, and I also put sometimes the direct link

I you mean that I use copyrighted images in my works with FF that I put as example you are WRONG, because I have the licence to those ìmages and photos and I have paid for them.

Here you can see the License agreement I have for the images I use and as you can see it allows to put the images online if they are less than 1024 x 768, AND they are the real ones, and is permitted derivated work. I have already written them to know about this sometime before, so I know it, and is possible to use them on forums as far as the size is not higher than 1024 x 768 and the original is recognizable.

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STANDARD LICENSE AGREEMENT

A Buyer can choose and apply the Standard or Extended License during content downloading from the site.

1. PERMITTED USES

Subject to the lim itations and restrictions set forth herein, a Standard license gives User the right to use a file or to create and use a Permitted Derivative Work, and only for the following purposes:

1 - prints, posters and other reproductions for personal use, advertising and promotional applications, including printed materials, product packaging, presentations, film and video presentations, commercials, catalogues, brochures, promotional greeting cards and promotional postcards (providing they are not for resale, license or other distribution);

2 - print media applications, such as books and book covers, magazines, newspapers, editorials, newsletters, and video, broadcast and theatrical displays;

3 - on–line or electronic publications, including web pages (but only when the pixel density for such file is lim ited to 1024 x 768)

COPYRIGHT NOTICE

User agrees to display a copyright notice on or immediately next to each file licensed pursuant to a Standard license that is reproduced in mass media (such as printed magazines and templates),
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Andrew B.

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I haven't had a chance to read all the links. But I thought I'd mention that royalty free does not mean you are free to use it. It only means there are no royalties per use. So, for example, the creator could be requiring a one time payment for more than one use under conditions of the license.

Here is a free photo site: http://www.sxc.hu/. But you need to read the license of each one you use, because they are not all the same. The other issue is if it's a photo of a person. If so, then there is an issue about a signed a model release for use of the person's image.
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Carl
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whoops Ok looks like I've started another sh*tstorm, ironically Sr you made this into a thread, where my motive was to subtly suggest without pointing a finger that you didn't post copyrighted material, by your posts in this thread suggest a naivety rather than a evil criminal mastermind smile;) ......... you have posted numerous examples of watermarked pics, other pic which are less obvious such as Juan Lopez Ortiz art which is c/red .... etc. Others that I don't know where you got them, but the owners would.
Many stock photo site have within there guidelines that you cannot lift images fr om there site in anyway [ save as, snippet etc ]. Now you have shown one agreement from somewhere, I think we can come to the reasonable conclusion that you have not purchased all the images that you have posted, also evident by you stating that google image search was the source for some images [ google doesn't own the rights to these pic, it's a directory to the sites wh ere the pic can be found ].
Respecting Copyright is important, be it the small breaches or large thefts of selling on others work. I don't want you to take this as a personnel attack, try to understand as artists our livelihood is in the work we create.
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Mardar
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SpaceRay, I think Carl has said it correctly.

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by your posts in this thread suggest a naivety rather than a evil criminal mastermind



There are some basic rules about posting that I believe you are not aware of and that is okay. We all stumble at times and make blunders.

When you post picture with water makes on them, it gives the impression that you have lifted them without permission fr om others sites. It is always a better practice to use your own photos or photos from public domain sites like the ones you and others have posted. It's always better to be safe than sorry. smile;)

Also,if you are using it as an example, it is considered a better practice to include a link to the photo from another site than to download the photo itself. It's just as easy to post a link to another site as it is to upload the photo. Hot linking photos is a no-no as you are stealing bandwidth from the other site. This can get you (and possibly the forum) in trouble from sites that backtrack wh ere you have hot linked to. Photobucket or other site like that can host your images for free and it keeps you out of hot water.

Lastly, a STANDARD LICENSE AGREEMENT does not include the entire internet. These license are issued from millions of sites and you need to make contracts with every single one of them separately to insure you are following the rules.

I did not want, nor do I want this to turn into a battle. So please don't be angry at me as I just wanted you to take a look at some of the things you were posting and see how they looked to the rest of us. I want this to be a positive thing and make it a safer environment for all including you. smile;)
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SpaceRay
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What have motivated me to make this thread ??

I thought that would be better to have it´s own thread to be able to speak about this topic in it´s own thread and not keep using the "Film Noir" filter comments page, as this is a interesting thing and is not good to have it in a comments filter where probably no other will see it unless going to that page.

BUT the main point was to be able to help Mardar, Morgantao and Carl

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Mardar wrote:

Morgantao, please do a Google search on copyright laws. You will find they are real laws and they are taken very seriously.You really need to enlighten yourself on this issue. It is very important.


These words from Mardar and Morgantao asking for this and Carl also starting this too, made me motivate to be able to HELP the community on this important topic and as said very well Mardar "You really need to enlighten yourself on this issue. It is very important"

So instead of having to go to google and make a search, I decided to take some time and make this thread to help to enlighten others forum readers and let them know about this serious and very important topic.

WOULD THIS BE AGAINST ME ?

I never imagined that this have been said indirectly to me because I have put some few screenshots with some watermarks and have put a hot link to the photos of those websites, and on some I have put the link and others.

WHY HAVE I PUT THE WATERMARKED PHOTOS ?

I try to upload to the forum server ONLY those images that can´t be get in any other way, because this way the server will not get loaded and filled with these images, and the load and storage on the server space will be less.

So when I thought about putting the Watermarked photos, I thought that instead of putting the real photos that I have and that would need to be uploaded to the FF server and take storage space, it would be the same to use the watermarked photos, AND as they are watermarked, the copyright reamins in the company owned.

It did NOT put the link to those watermarked images because you could think that I making free publicity to those webs, and then did not want to do it.

I AM SORRY IF I HAVE DONE IT IN BAD WAY

I never thought that this was a bad thing and have not any bad intention of breaking the copyright laws and make you all feel bad when putting this images that you have found offensive.

I am sorry to have done that thinking that this was not a problem, but from now on I will not use any other image that is not mine, so you do not have to worry anymore about this
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Morgantao
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SpaceRay, I think it's a good idea to get all the relevant information in this thread, instead of having it scattered all over the forum. I also thank you for taking the time to do the google search for us, and including the links here in one place.

Nobody here should take any of the information here personally. It's important that we all learn how to do things the right way. We are all humans, we all make mistakes, we all need to learn for those mistakes.
To me, one of the great tings about FF is the community. The fact that people from all over the world can talk freely about a common interest, and help eachother is a dream come true. People here are helping out eachother creating and using filters, and also with things that are not FF related, like looking for a full frame DSLR camera smile:D

If politicians were like the people on this forum, I think wars would have been but a dark memory.

SpaceRay, I understand your reasoning about putting watermarked pictures on the forum, and I suppose I thought the same, that as long as the watermark is clearly visible, it's like free advertising to the companies who own the pictures. That this is a win win situation. And maybe it is, maybe the companies would love for us to use their photos on the forum, with the watermark. But we have to ask them.
I suppose we can write to those stock photo companies and ask them if we could use images from their site as examples for filters, while having the watermark and a link intact.

I myself don't know much about internet \ international law, nor about copyright laws.
Marday, you said to me "You really need to enlighten yourself on this issue. It is very important". You are most right, I shouldn't blabber about things I don't understand. It was just something I have heard from people in the past, and never thought of looking it up if it was true. One of the darker sides of the internet is how rumors spread like wildfire. One should always confirm things like that from a dependable source.

All in all, I think this thread taught us all important lessons, and it is good to have. Thanks to all of you for contributing to it. smile:)
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Ramlyn
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Basically the point of copyright is that who has the money can control it. All the others cannot clearly understand if they are ok using a picture or copyrighting their work.
Some example:

- Because the copyright is simply a registration, we can obtain the copyright even if we aren't the authors of a picture, but simply the owners of the original.
So, if you find a picture made by a guy who died 75 years ago, you cannot be sure to can use it. Somebody may still own the rights of it.

- When we register the copyright of a picture, we think to be ok. But, what if somebody shows that your work is similar to another picture that was copyrighted before yours? Your copyright becomes void.

If we have money, we can pay the best lawyers and literally "invent" our rights where we shouldn't have any.

Somebody will say that I'm wrong and that the law protects all us the same way. It should. But in most of the cases it doesn't.
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Morgantao
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You know that song "Money makes the world go 'round"?
Fact is, the law protects the ones who can afford a better lawyer (Or a higher bribe, in some parts of the world...). smile;)
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