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SpaceRay
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I have seen searching in Google Images for BARCODE ART of for BARCODE ARTIST that they are some artworks made based on barcodes, and it looks cool, but then I came to FF and seems that something simple as this is not available in the filter library, Is curious that in all these years nobody have done a BARCODE generator filter, maybe because it may not seen interesting, that this can be used in many multiple things

I think that you may use them for:

1 - Mask to put images inside only and white outside

2 - The opposite it to cut backgrounds with the barcode

3 - As source shape to be used as part of other filters, as source of mask or shapes

4 - Used as overlay with blend modes

5 - Using FF they can be distorted, eroded, break, modified, and many possible effects

6 - For 3D barcode using displacement map in FF and make the barcode follow a 3D shape made inside FF


I am sorry that I can not do it, as it is not as easy as it seems to make some stripes to get the look of a real barcode

Of course is not needed to have the numbers as is not easy to use numbers in FF (although ThreeDee made an amazing work with numbers to be used inside FF)
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Skybase
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https://filterforge.com/filters/9487.html

That's a relatively ok one that requires way more work.

I think the overall thing with making barcodes in FF has been:
1. You can make those online for free... that actually work.

2. You can probably make a fake barcode, but only so far as FilterForge allows you to fudge some stuff around. I think FF is actually a pain to work with when you want something specific as that. We've accomplished many technical things in the program, but most times those filters kinda fall victim to the simple fact that this program's not built for some things.

3. And for any of those nice ideas listed above... you should probably just import the barcode you generated online --> import it into FilterForge or whatever other program and do some fun stuff with it. I see that being practical and easier anyway.

I think it just comes down to being about practicality you know?
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Ramlyn
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Hi!. I saw about barcode art.

Doing a real barcode generator should not be too complex. But there are several international standards.

Doing barcode art using a filter........
A very simple solution could be having a basic barcode generator filter. Then changing our picture to a black and white silhouette and blending it in different ways with the barcode.
But I guess the result would not be as good as doing it manually.

Something like this is probably not too difficult to do :





But these are much harder, I believe :

:





They are harder because the barcode is a continuation of the picture or, depending on the picture, the barcode shape changes.

Anyway, let's see.
I can try.
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Ramlyn
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I made a UPC-A barcode filter.
It will probably appear on Monday.
It is my first simple attempt.
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SpaceRay
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Great news, and thanks very much Ramlyn, will see what you have done when it is available

Although it may be simple, for me the difficult is to mantain always the white lines separating the black lines and having random sized black lines

The UPC-A seems to be he more common an usual bar code, good
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SpaceRay
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Finally Ramlyn has been able to make an excellent filter

is availablehere in this page

You are awesome and and you know really how to convert ideas to reality in FF, as shown on this filter, it looks great. Nobody in all this years, have made it, and you have done it, great!! And also adding the possible image overlay!

Thanks very much for taking my idea and suggestion and make it real.

As you have put some barcode artworks I put another one





and I know there are more even more originals, but I do not remember where
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Skybase
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Well nobody's done a QR code generator so I guess that's your next step.
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SpaceRay
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Skybase

Well nobody's done a QR code generator so I guess that's your next step.


In my own personal opinion, I do not think that QR codes are any nice or beautiful, too much pixelated, ugly to make art with them for my taste, although of course this is my point of view as when you put "QR code art" in google images there are many examples of artworks created with these QR codes

Also I think QR may be more complex to make in FF and are not simple lines
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Skybase
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That was just a silly joke SR. I know it's 100% impractical.

<Below is me rambling about stuff>

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In my own personal opinion, I do not think that QR codes are any nice or beautiful, too much pixelated, ugly to make art with them for my taste, although of course this is my point of view as when you put "QR code art" in google images there are many examples of artworks created with these QR codes


I'm going to drop off something interesting about this statement that made me think about my background.

You can't formulate an opinion about aesthetics on something that was made out of practicality and pure reasoning. There's absolutely no way you can attribute "it looks ugly" to practical data storage on a flat surface. It's made the way it is and it works. That's all that matters with the QR Code. There's no beauty, no gorgeous or ugly. It's purely purposeful and utility.

When you add colors to QRCode, or start doing playful things, THEN we can argue that it's beautiful or ugly. But in the end, no matter how we deal with it, a QRcode is made for a reason and if it serves it's purpose then it's successful as a utility.

I come from a background of philosophers and designers that assume that practical design is best when most minimum. This particular school of thought argues that at the most minimum, a design can't be aesthetic nor can it be argued with the same standard attributes we give to "design".

The reason why I'm point this out to you is because a lot of people fail to think about design at it's essence. I feel people are carried away by "aesthetic design" with our opinions about stuff in the world that we lose out on what's actually important about design, the arts, and why we even practice the arts. And I sometimes feel "having an opinion" ... is what holds you back from really seeing good design.

</end of rambling>
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Ramlyn
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Thanks so much SpaceRay!! smile;)

Your examples are interesting.
The first one would be very easy to do with Filter Forge.
The second........ because we don't have fixed values for the barcode, depending on the numbers we choose, the black & white lines of the barcode will have a completely different order. So, we cannot foresee the right connection between the barcode lines and the spaghetti lines. The same problem happens with many other pictures, for example here :



I don't know how to make the branches coming out from the black likes when their position and thickness change.
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Ramlyn
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Or..... Maybe if I select that "always & only" the thick lines have branches......
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Ramlyn
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Yes, Skybase, I understand what you mean.
You say that these codes, both the QR code and the common barcode too, were not created as a way to make art, but as a system to codify information. So they had to be useful, not decorative.

Then, there have been people who used the barcodes also as an art form.
That's what SpaceRay is talking about.
When he said that the QR code doesn't look nice, he surely meant that, for what he could see, the people who tried to use them to make something attractive at the sight couldn't get good results. Instead using barcodes, there are many nice and interesting examples.

So, why don't we take it as a new challenge?
Let's see if anybody, using the QR code as a base, is able to do something creative and nice to the sight.
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Rachel Duim
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I think it is safe to say that FF is probably barely up to this, it would have to be a map script, check out this link for format info and keep clicking to the right:
QR Format Info
Just a tad complex, wouldn't you say smile8) I can see creating fake ones, it is (argh) cubist art.
Math meets art meets psychedelia.
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Skybase
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Then, there have been people who used the barcodes also as an art form.
That's what SpaceRay is talking about.


Yeah I know, it's why I wrote I was rambling. lol. I just think like a working designer.
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And yeh, QRCode in FilterForge... I mean there's probably some REALLY hack way of doing it. But I think I call to question the usefulness of it. Kinda like the RayTracer example for FIlterForge, it only exemplifies the potential of FilterForge, not necessarily be useful. If it's a purely design level thing, we can probably just make fake QRcodes but that's no fun.
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SpaceRay
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Skybase thanks for your comment is curious and good, I understand what you say, but is what Ramlyn have said

I understand perfectly that when they designed the QR CODE it was never designed to be pretty, decorative, beautiful or nice to see, just made in the best way for the purpose it will have independently of the looks for coding, the same as the bar code.

Maybe there could be a confusion, in that I said that they may be UGLY to make ART with them, not that they are bad because of how they look in itself.

Also is that I never liked pixelated things, and I now with the trending of minecraft and big blocky graphics, it reminds me like QR code belongs to the mindcraft world smile:D

QR CODES FOR ART PURPOSES

Maybe if you enlarge them really very much ( 1 meter by 1 meter) and give it colorful background to the inside of it, it make start to look better as shown on some of the google images qr codes art search.

Maybe it could be good a QR code for mixing two different images, 1 inside of the qr and the second outside of it, as background, so it would be used as a mak

Also it can be used in 3D as a cube as shown here

QR code cube 3D model
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Skybase
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I mean you're saying for artistic purposes, but it's more so they should work as well. Just keep that in mind when you're making these. It's REALLY REALLY a ton more fun when the barcode actually works.

I've seen this barcode art project that a friend did once where he painted the barcode into his work which worked. It lead you on a elaborate hunt for art objects all over campus via geo caching and stuff. At the end it goes full circle and it leaves you with the actual title of the artwork which was "Loop". The display name was "Untitled 20" You quickly realize that everybody else who's just gazing at the work in the gallery has little to no idea that this work is a lot larger than it it's displayed.

So seriously, take the time and make it worth it.
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