Make easier and automatic AGAMOGRAPHS using FF instead of by hand

I have just discovered that there is an art technique called AGAMOGRAPH

Here is a attempt at an Agamograph

Here is a Youtube video tutorial to make the same agamograph example I have put on the second post and shows it right using an template

Video tutorial to make the Agamograph from second post

Here below is another example from a Adobe project

This is the first try to simulate an automatic agamograph maker and I have seen that I made it wrong, as I have to divide the 2 source images in 11 equal stripes, so in the end you would have 22 stripes and not 11 as it has now. So I will rebuild it later

here is the first filter that is wrong as it has only half of the source images and not the whole as it happens when making an agamograph

This is for FF 7

Agamograph 11 Individual Stripes.ffxml

Thanks SpaceRay, an interesting challenge.

I did create the image in FF7. I've included what I've done so far. The problem is that the stripes are not equal if you view the agamograph from up close. The "stripes" at the outer edges have a thin and a thick strip since your viewing angle prevents you from seeing most of one of the images at the corners if you use 2 images in the filter. So that is what I am going for. The corner folds at the top and the bottom are the next thing I'm working on. My example does have shading, but for now it's not that good, so I'm going to drop the shading for now and return to adding the folds.

Also, when viewing the slices, the slices need to be scale "squashed" since you are viewing the image "tilted" from above. The difficulty here is including the whole image squashed without overlap. I think I've got that part down.

There is a multiblend that feeds a loop at the end of the filter I've included which has the various elements (2 stripes and 2 shading parts) if you want to drop out any elements. The main downside so far has been the math: not exactly complicated but not simple either.

Agamograph alpha 3.ffxml

And I think I can do it BUT with only 7 stripes for each image as it is the limit of the multiblend component, I am doing it

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Rachel Duim wrote: I've added "folds" at the top and removed some of the shading. The folds make a big difference, don't you think

Are you trying to really simulate the 3D folding of the agamograph in FF? WOW! impressive and awesome if you can make it real

OH! this would be really awesome if possible to make it, I never really though about making this, just only simulate the 2D distribution shown on the fifth post (distribute 2 images alternatively in stripes)

You can get a simple 14 channel multiblend with the addition of a single regular Blend, if that's any help. And then 21 channel if you do it again... blah, blah, blah. I think mine will work with landscape images, but will wait until I get the look I want to change all of the "anchors".

Within reason I am trying to simulate the 3D look of agamographs. Given the nuances of ambient lighting it may always look a bit sterile in comparison. One thing I've noticed is the filter works better with lighter images because dark shading is overpowered by the dark image.

The filter was originally your idea, so I would like to release it eventually if that is ok with you SpaceRay. It is always interesting to pursue your ideas, your antenna is always up for new art concepts.

Here is an example of a 2 hazy landscape images folded together.

WOW! Is amazing how you have been to reproduce a REAL 3D agamograph with the 3D folding simulated in such great way, impressive and awesome, and thanks for thinking of a way to do it and for the work done

Although my idea was not to make this, as I thought it would be not possible, I just wanted to simulate what is shown on the post number 5

Will test it and see how it work

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Rachel Duim wrote: The filter was originally your idea, so I would like to release it eventually if that is ok with you SpaceRay.

Although the idea was given by me, I never in any way wanted to suggest to make a 3D folded simulated agamograph, so really the idea is from you inspired from my 2D idea of an automatic agamograph maker to make images like in the fifth post above, so of course that I totally agree to do what you want with your filter, is your own awesome and amazing creation

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Rachel Duim wrote: . It is always interesting to pursue your ideas, your antenna is always up for new art concepts.

Thanks very much for your comment, much appreciated and is true that I try to find new and unusual things and ways to make things differently in some ways

Best wishes

I am rebuilding the filter to make it right, as I am using what I have used for my other filters, but now is different as you need to cut BOTH images in the same amount of parts and join them, but I think I may have found a way to do it, although do not know yet if it will work. I am using either Free Rectangle or Profile Gradient to slice the images in stripes.

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Skybase wrote: You mean you wanted a filter that literally made the template for agamographs?

I do not want you mean by templates, what I wanted to make in FF is avoid having to make templates for Photoshop of any other graphic software and do all the cut and paste by hand either digitally or physically.

So really what I want is to make the whole agamograph in FF from two image sources and make automatic the cut of both of them in joined stripes as shown here



So then you can then print it on paper and fold it as shown in the instructions

Maybe I have explained it wrongly above on second post

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SpaceRay wrote: To be able to make by hand on paper, or using a graphic software is difficult and complex, and takes much time, so I have thought that it would be possible to make it much easier and done automatically using FF, and then print it I have already done some filters related to stripes, so I think that this is a possible challenge I could make, as is only need to separate the 2 sources images into separated stripes

Right that's what I meant by "template". I mean that to say "it's an image that you can print out and use to make an actual agamograph" and not to simulate it in FilterForge.

Here's the bottom line and a couple things we need to think about and approach this.

First, we need to understand that the agamograph is two images in one. Each consecutive slice is separated out in even intervals to construct the angle at which it's being viewed fr om. Second, we need to understand that the canvas size would need to be longer than its initial input because two images are being used and are spread at intervals.

There's one road block that we need to address about this:

FilterForge can't change the canvas size on the fly. There's no component that would let FilterForge alter the size of the final image. The solution to this is to enter the desired image dimensions manually.

Ultimately the best case filter here is a filter that can 1. procedurally slice and distribute each portion appropriately. 2. you can change the number of slices via slider.

In your current approach, you're doing exactly as the word template describes: it's inflexible because you're manually constructing each slice separately hence this won't let you change the number of slices on the fly.

So the thinking process here is: how do we make it so that the image gets cut up correctly and then distributed evenly down the line while fitting the canvas size? And this is wh ere I'm stuck too.

I'm waiting for the moment when somebody comes up and just says "oh this is easier than you think"

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I look about what you have told and now have seen, discovered and understood that I was wrong in thinking that simply by dividing 2 source images it would work because is not true if the images are not abstract

Yes! This is the real challenge in FilterForge. I can simulate the look of it no problem, but spreading it evenly apart for some reason is making my head spin in circles. I'm starting to think that I can construct a gradient that feeds an offset with the coordinates of each slice, hence offset the image by that amount. I get some idea to divide to get the appropriate width of each strip, but I'd need to try it to get it.

At least if you go over the fact that some portions of the filter will be manual work, it's doable. Just that the tricky part is making it procedural/flexible. And for some reason, I'm spinning in circles going "WHY U NO WORK".

Of course, I can resort to just using a loop and make my life easier. It's easier because a loop would let you just do operations in a sequence instead of trying to do this all at once (which is my current approach). Loops can be seriously slow in FilterForge.

And that's how it's been!!!

Something like this (New Image -> 1200x600)?

AGAMOGRAPH.ffxml

Indeed, a really clean solution to the double wide version. For the moment I will post my 3D single wide version here. Went through the same "why doesn't it work" moments and rewrote it from scratch and figured out what I did wrong the first time. I will be submitting the 3D version soon, a flawed version is in the queue, but I asked to have it removed due to math errors.

A LITTLE LATER... the fixed solution for Agamograph is in the queue. The flawed version is now available in the filter section.

Agamograph revised 2.ffxml

Filter is in, with a few additional features
https://www.filterforge.com/filters/14618.html