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Burt

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here is another

Posted: March 22, 2013 1:16 am

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Burt

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and yet another - machine or engine like I think

Posted: March 22, 2013 1:17 am

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Burt

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Final one for now.

Posted: March 22, 2013 1:18 am

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ThreeDee

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Really cool sci-fi machinery, Burt!

Posted: March 22, 2013 6:47 am

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Sharandra

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Wow! Very cool! smile:D

Posted: March 22, 2013 12:31 pm

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Burt

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Thank you. I am having fun with FF. It seems everything you try generates some unexpected bit that gives a new idea so I copy yhrm to a new ffxml file and recently had to copy hem to a different folder as the 'My Filter' list was a little out of control. smile:)

Posted: March 22, 2013 12:57 pm

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Burt

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Not sure if I should litter the forum with my questions or not so the ones related to the current filter will go here.

If you look at the attached filter it is the greeble city which renders in 4 seconds on my machine. I added in a simple bit using Tiles to create some city block with sidewalks. That one renders in 1.01 second by itself. Combine the two via a Blend operation and I waited 10 minutes and it is still thinking about getting started. I tried connecting it various ways to no avail -any ideas?

Greebleville 8.ffxml

Posted: March 22, 2013 4:39 pm

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Burt

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Skip it. I think I understand the problem.

Posted: March 22, 2013 6:23 pm

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Burt

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Ok, well I guess I don't understand what's going on. I put it later in the chain and it worked better but log story short it is still choking. If anyone looks at it and can tell me what's up that would be great. Hopefully I won't wear anyone out but just in case I'm looking for a second job so if I find one I won't be able to ask so many questions. smile;)

Posted: March 22, 2013 6:55 pm

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ThreeDee

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I believe it is the Minimum and Maximum that is killing it. Try to achieve a similar effect with just Threshhold, and you should be fine. Minimum and Maximum both rasterize the image, and since we're scaling the image essentially down to 0 (or infinitely small) at the top, it requires a huge amount of rasterization.

Posted: March 23, 2013 2:37 am

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SpaceRay

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Burt If you look at the attached filter it is the greeble city which renders in 4 seconds on my machine. I added in a simple bit using Tiles to create some city block with sidewalks. That one renders in 1.01 second by itself. Combine the two via a Blend operation and I waited 10 minutes and it is still thinking about getting started. I tried connecting it various ways to no avail -any ideas?

YES! Sometimes combining two things that render very fast into only one can become a much slower filter result

This remembers me the Morgantao mistery and the Filter Forge Math

Please see this thread FF math: 30+1=163

In this case 30 seconds + 1 second is not equal to 31 seconds, the real result is 163 seconds after combining them

In your case is perhaps and possibly something similar and another mistery to solve

Look at the end of the thread for a long answer by Vladimir Golovin that explains about this

Posted: March 23, 2013 7:09 am

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Burt

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Thanks for the answer ThreeDee that should fix it. smile:)

Thanks for the link SpaceRay interesting. Sometimes 1 + 1 equals 11. smile:)

Posted: March 23, 2013 3:11 pm

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Burt

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Well I think I have worn out my playing with this filter. Not enought to submit to the library but maybe some will find it useful to play with.

Greebleville 9.ffxml

Posted: March 25, 2013 2:16 am

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Burt

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Here's one render of the final filter

Posted: March 25, 2013 2:16 am

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Burt

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and here's is one more final. somewhat city like but I meandered without purpose so not sure where to go with it. Hope it is useful to someone.

Also a big tip of the hat and thanks to ThreeDee who answered so many of my noob questions with samples to boot.

Posted: March 25, 2013 2:18 am

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Burt

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Maybe it would be useful for backgrounds anyway? Playing with the Comic filters ...

Posted: March 25, 2013 8:36 pm

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Sharandra

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Hehe cool. smile:-)

Are you going to add a sky and texture the city?

Posted: March 26, 2013 4:18 pm

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Burt

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Actually I think I am done for now. I think I want to try my hand at making filters for a specific purpose rather than starting with a random filter and trying to find a purpose for it afterwards. smile:)

Posted: March 26, 2013 4:46 pm

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Sharandra

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Oh but sometimes those random filters turn into cool stuff. smile:-)

And you can learn a lot from these experiments. I still do that when I got nothing better to do smile:D

Not saying you shouldnÂ´t make specific filters tho. lol. Looking forward to what you come up with! smile:-)

Posted: March 26, 2013 5:02 pm

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Burt

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Haha. Thanks -and I agree. The truth is any excuse sends me off on a tangent. I have some stories I want to write and produce but I always start off taking a few minutes to do some other thing and that's the end of that. Years go by with me tinkering. :0 So have to try to force the aging brain to focus. smile:)

Posted: March 26, 2013 5:14 pm

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Sharandra

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Lol, I know so well what youÂ´re talking about. IÂ´m so glad I donÂ´t have a deadline for my little dungeon project,I wonder if thatÂ´s a good or bad thing tho smile:p

I spend too much time creating filters for the textures. At least they might save me time in the future lol. smile:-)

Posted: March 28, 2013 2:34 pm

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Skybase

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These are examples you've been posting are absolutely fun smile:)

Posted: March 29, 2013 7:05 am

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Burt

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Well back to the fish for a bit. I have been fixing some of the fish that were getting cut off and had transparency issues and tweaking lighting and other things. Busy now so less time to play but fun nonetheless.

Posted: April 3, 2013 9:11 pm

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Burt

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Playing with the greeble output and some of the other filters like CF and M's stretch filter. I think someone who knows more than me can make it much more city like.

Posted: April 8, 2013 6:47 pm

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Burt

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Hi. Haven't been around ina while, Finally got enough reward points and got my copy of FF4 -woohoo! Keeping busy on other things but just wanted to play a bit. Still messing with greebles a little and hope to try out the Loop and groupiong features soon.