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SpaceRay
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As I have said in my last post from previous page, I have now been trying to use these Reaction Diffusion pattern as source some FF filters
Another example is using the very good Rusterizer by CorvusCroax ![]() |
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Posted: June 22, 2013 4:31 am | ||||||
SpaceRay
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Posted: June 22, 2013 4:36 am | ||||||
SpaceRay
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Posted: June 22, 2013 4:41 am | ||||||
SpaceRay
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Posted: June 22, 2013 4:48 am | ||||||
Skybase
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Posted: June 22, 2013 4:56 am | ||||||
Skybase
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Posted: June 22, 2013 5:21 am | ||||||
SpaceRay
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YES, I will do it and make as you say, alternative starting patterns, and I have been testing some.
As I have already said in my last post of previous page I wonder if you have used separated color channels as it happens in the Harris Shutter effect or like the FF filter Harris Shutter Effect by Morgantao |
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Posted: June 23, 2013 6:03 pm | ||||||
Skybase
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While IndigoRay's method may differ, the basis is pretty much the same. We're feeding color into the loop itself. These newer chains have derivatives are being used instead of thresholds or other monochromatic components. By nature math components process RGB so no need for 3 separate channels!
![]() This whole concept might overwhelm you but do try figuring it out. It takes 2 components (blur and derivative) to generate the base chain. It then takes a couple iterations! |
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Posted: June 23, 2013 9:51 pm | ||||||
SpaceRay
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Thanks for the answer Skybase, now I know that it is not anything simple and similar to the Harris shutter effect, and really I am not interested much how you have done it, just was curious.
I am already much overwhelm with the things I already know, so will not enter into a "new garden" of more complex things ![]() ![]() |
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Posted: June 24, 2013 1:24 pm | ||||||
Skybase
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Awwww lol you're the one who started this whole thread!
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Posted: June 24, 2013 8:57 pm | ||||||
SpaceRay
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Maybe I have said something wrong and you misunderstood,, when I have said "I am not interested to get this effect" I ONLY mean about this COLOR effect that you and Indigo Ray have made, NOT about Reaction Diffusion patterns that I am very interested and of course that will keep trying to figure out new ways to make these kind of reaction difussion patterns as I have said before.
Sorry for the possible confusion |
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Posted: June 24, 2013 11:46 pm | ||||||
Skybase
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You should expect threads like these to expand into experimental territories, especially given how you're teasing on the subject by posting a ton of existing material.
![]() Overall, this is a step-by-step process. I know you're not interested in the patterns, but as far as I've learned it has to come as a set. So we have to process both the color and pattern together as a single set. What you're seeing right now is basic research and development. We gotta try somethings to make other things happen. There's no singling out an element of a effect in this case. |
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Posted: June 25, 2013 4:52 am | ||||||
SpaceRay
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I have seen that someone FF user sueta have used the Reaction Diffusion filter by Skybase to make a very well done, beautiful and artistic work that I like it.
See it in the FF Gallery Lotus vibrant by sueta |
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Posted: July 30, 2013 12:53 pm | ||||||
Skybase
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Nice
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Posted: July 30, 2013 12:55 pm | ||||||
ddaydreams |
These are also known a Turing Patterns named after Alan Turing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing When I did a google image search for TURING PATTERNS I came across some images I did not see before when I had searched Reaction - Diffusion This is one I found when searching Turing Patters there are videos also that show these forming. Interesting for sure. ![]() |
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Posted: July 30, 2013 4:48 pm | ||||||
SpaceRay
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WOW! this example you have put is really beautiful and wonderful, love much the very organic pattern it makes, I do not think that this could be done with FF. Thanks very much for the Alan Turing patterns information, when searching in Google images there is a lot of good examples |
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Posted: July 30, 2013 6:56 pm | ||||||
Skybase
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Those you should make with processing.
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Posted: July 30, 2013 10:13 pm | ||||||
Casual Pixels
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I've done a bunch of tinkering (though not in FF) with Reaction/Diffusion stuff.
If anyone wants some very interesting reading about that kind of thing, I'd immediately recommend Philip Ball's trilogy Shapes, Branches, and Flow. (Subtitle "Nature's Patterns: a tapestry in three parts") Basically a modern-day reworking of D'Arcy Thompson's On Growth and Forms. Excellent stuff. |
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Posted: July 30, 2013 11:44 pm | ||||||
SpaceRay
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But to be able to use the very interesting and great Processing software you need to learn programming as it is all done this way and is not graphical based or with a GUI as FF. |
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Posted: July 31, 2013 6:59 pm | ||||||
Skybase
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Gotta start somewhere.
![]() Otherwise, a pretty simple thing you can do that works is get yourself some analog CRT TV, hook a cheap video camera up, face the camera at the monitor, and just adjust the angles a bit until you get some nice feedback patterns. That's your classic introduction to a feedback loop. |
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Posted: July 31, 2013 9:14 pm | ||||||
ddaydreams |
Here's an interactive online Reaction Diffusion generator I found at
http://pmneila.github.io/jsexp/grayscott/ It lets you paint on the fly during the generation in full screen mode then right click to have save screen option, in my case at 1920 x 1200. in just a few seconds (this is smaller for this post, lots of fun, with presets and the default preset has some symmetry to it. ![]() |
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Posted: August 15, 2013 8:47 pm | ||||||
Skybase
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Ahh look at that realtimeness!
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Posted: August 15, 2013 8:55 pm | ||||||
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Posted: August 16, 2013 12:20 am | ||||||
SpaceRay
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WOW!! WOW!! This is really awesome and incredible how this Reaction Diffusion generator works!! and all the different preset options available and how it works in realtime and allowing to interact with you by painting with the mouse.
Thanks really very much for sharing this awesome tool and is very interesting and useful. Love it much. And the best thing is that it has a FULL SCREEN mode where you can make a whole screen design. I think that you could even take that full screen, save it and then convert it to vetor graphics and so you can have them with unlimited size. |
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Posted: August 16, 2013 12:53 pm | ||||||
ddaydreams |
yes SpaceRay that's my plan, to use full screen capture then vectorize to make any size.
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Posted: August 16, 2013 3:03 pm | ||||||
CFandM
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That used to be so much fun.. ![]() ![]() Another thing that was fun was big magnets close to the screen and on the sides... ![]() Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times! |
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Posted: August 16, 2013 9:29 pm | ||||||
Gewuerz
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Nice!
a very helpful "Loop Photoshop Actions" panel. You can running any Photoshop actions x-number of times. Any infos and download link on: Photoshop + A Flash Plug-in: Loop Photoshop Actions read the comments. For CS6 or CC (!):
Its only work with actions in the "Default Actions" Move or copy the selected action to the Default Actions. Its a very good helper. For the future - my wishes:I hope anywhere with script know-how can this make more comfortable: not only the "Default Action" folder and and with the ability to repeat a series of actions in a certain order. Wolfgang |
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Posted: October 19, 2013 4:31 am | ||||||
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Hy! I created once an action for PS CS3, after I saw the tutorial from Skybase on Vimeo
Reaction-Diffusion > Cs3 Action Just simple, but not simpler. (A.E) |
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Posted: October 21, 2013 12:45 am | ||||||
SpaceRay
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Great and well done, as you say is very helpful and useful for looping photoshop actions and I have tested it (changing all the files names so they do not include the space in the middle) and it works very well, and very easy and simple to use. And being only to use actions that are inside the "Default actions" is not really a big problem, as you only have to copy the action inside the Default actions folder by drag and drop and that is all, then it will work. Thanks very much for the panel Also I have to say that you have some great, beautiful and amazing works done on your website, congratulations.
I have tried it and is very good and is well thought and made in 3 easy to follow steps with instructions, and the result you get is better than the action I have done myself. Thanks very much for sharing it, great and useful Here below is something I have done, for the example I needed to run the marwyn action 5 times (5 x 40 times) that means is repeated 200 times. The number of times depends totally on the source image you are using and how close the dots are and how bigger or smaller they are, or if you are using any other different shape ![]() |
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Posted: October 22, 2013 5:05 pm | ||||||
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Silly question but in playing around with this in Photoshop is there a way to have the action wrap the boundaries so that its tillable? I don't know of a way but someone here may be more clever.
It would also be interesting to see more samples with the associated actions. It makes me wonder if the parameter space with what you can do in Photoshop or FF is as wide as what you can get out of the Gray-Scott model. in the meantime Ill keep playing. -Michael |
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Posted: November 9, 2013 4:44 pm | ||||||
SpaceRay
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I want to put here that Rick Duim have made a Filter Forge filter based on this topic
Rick Duim filter |
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Posted: July 13, 2014 11:40 pm | ||||||
SpaceRay
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Hello, I have just found this page about this topic, and thought about sharing it here if anyone may find it interesting and useful
Is about how these are generated Reaction and Difussion tutorial by Karl Sim Also some cool and nice images examples if you see this google images search reaction diffusion rainbow google images search And another possible use for these 2d patterns is to extrude them into 3d models, or make reaction diffusion in 3d Reaction Diffusion 3D search in google images |
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Posted: June 15, 2015 12:48 am | ||||||
SpaceRay
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I wonder if there could be multiple ways to make these reaction diffusion patterns, as I think it would be needed to start from different source and maybe use some kind of formulae or maybe slightly different techniques to get these many varied patterns shown on this link
Reaction Diffusion Patterns google images search And how to add a way to fill the interior of these beautiful patterns in the same way as shown on the colorful images of the first post on this thread Also this other google images search with nice results Reaction Diffusion Photoshop google images search |
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Posted: June 15, 2015 9:20 am | ||||||
Ramlyn
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Let's see if I can make any interesting filter on this subject.
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Posted: June 15, 2015 11:58 am | ||||||
Rachel Duim
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I am currently experimenting with other diffusion methods (ie using different components as a substitute for blur). I'll keep you posted. There are some promising angles (haha). I might post it here before releasing it for comments. The trouble with these types of filters is the long compute times in FF. Also here is a repost of the experimental filter in use (Derivative Median Diffusion and Picasso Redux).
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Posted: June 15, 2015 1:12 pm | ||||||
Rachel Duim
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After creating an action in Photoshop to do Reaction Diffusion, I am stopping my research in FF. PS is so much faster, the action is a time saver. I created a 2000 pixel wide document with 7 evenly spaced dots (200 pixels diamter) in a diagonal grid. This is the result (with an added background gradient) after about 200 iterations.
![]() Math meets art meets psychedelia. |
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Posted: June 15, 2015 3:40 pm | ||||||
Skybase
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Yeup, it's several hundred times faster to do this in Photoshop than in FilterForge for obvious reasons being that FilterForge just doesn't like cascades of bitmap components. Let alone, 1 bitmap component in FilterForge has a tendency to slow everything in the filter down significantly.
There are a bunch of dedicated reaction-diffusion programs out there which is more intended for science than art for example this: https://github.com/gollygang/ready It won't let you export super resolution or for that matter is rather pretty technical but you can see there are a bunch of things you can try out and see how crazy it just gets. |
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Posted: June 15, 2015 7:07 pm | ||||||
Rachel Duim
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Live and learn. The research on repetitive high passing/thresholding/blurring helped me understand FF's strengths and weaknesses. On modern 4 core machines reaction diffusion is more than doable, it's here. Oh Skybase, thanks, the link was interesting. Academia before art in this case. And it's all thanks to Alan Turing:
Alan Turing - Wikipedia His life is a tragedy. Also for anyone interested in writing their own actions for reaction diffusion, here's a page that gets to the point: Reaction Diffusion Parameters. Excellent examples and different diffusion methods with parameters are in the article. Highly useful. Somebody we know is mentioned in the article ![]() Math meets art meets psychedelia. |
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Posted: June 15, 2015 8:35 pm | ||||||
Rachel Duim
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If anyone is interested, I wrote an AppleScript for Mac Photoshop CS6 that automates the reaction diffusion process with 3 actions. The user is prompted for the file to diffuse and for the number of iterations.
Math meets art meets psychedelia. |
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Posted: June 16, 2015 4:21 pm | ||||||
SpaceRay
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Thanks Rick Duim for contributing to the thread and put those nice examples and for the link to that very interesting page in the link with the Skybase video tutorial, it gives lots of interesting and useful examples of different patterns and results that are very good for have an idea of what will happen so you can choose better the initial source image to create the final pattern. And also on the same website there is also a very useful, long and huge list of interesting CG Links Neil Blevins CG Links huge list |
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Posted: June 17, 2015 11:35 pm | ||||||
SpaceRay
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I have found other interesting website about this
Syntopia Generative Art, 3D Fractals, Creative Computing Reaction-Diffusion Systems August 8, 2012 Also is cool this video animation using this Reaction-Diffusion Tip-Splitting Second-Order Sobel Filter ![]() |
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Posted: June 18, 2015 7:46 am | ||||||
Rachel Duim
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Posted: June 20, 2015 5:59 pm | ||||||
SpaceRay
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Rick Duim
Good artistic example of this cat, mixing your artistic and well done Picasso redux with image based reaction diffusion that gives this beautiful result. |
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Posted: June 20, 2015 6:55 pm | ||||||
ThreeDee
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That's what I suspect Shrödinger's Cat looks like before you open the box.
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Posted: July 12, 2015 7:20 am | ||||||
Rachel Duim
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Ah, seeing the cat at the sub-atomic level. Kiko swears he was alive the whole time...
Math meets art meets psychedelia. |
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