How can you control the distribution of the particles inside Bomber?

I have made this filter Color Squares with Photos and it has 2 bombers with 10 particles, BUT I wanted to be able to control where the bomber puts the particles instead of having they at totally random.



As seen in this image above, in the filter I have made that each sqaure is filled with an image and having 10 images (5 each bomber) I have made that each of the bomber fills half of the result, but the distribution inside depends on the random seed given by the variation setting value

According to the FF Bomber Help page it seems that the position and distribution of the particles can be controlled and customized using other components

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By default, a single particle is placed at the center of each grid cell, but its position, as well as the opacity, rotation angle, size, offset and other parameters, can be fine-tuned, randomized or mapped with other components

What other components could be used to position especifically the particles with the bomber instead of random?

If the first particle is placed at the center, what happen with the second, third, etc.?

What I want is that if I have 5 color controls input, I want to be able to define that the first color control will be positioned the first one, the second control will be the second, and so on.

I have been trying to this with chances values, but is still random.

CROSSWORD WITH WORDS INSTEAD OF RANDOM LETTERS

Also had the idea to use the great letters made by ThreDee to make crosswords using this well done filter Crossword Generator by Bowlarama and be able to define which letters go where instead of filling the crossword with random letters.

Thanks very much for any help

Thanks for your answer, but it seems that your answer, is about the second part of my post about the words, and I think that both things are the same, because the letters are the same as if they were images loaded as particles, so if you know how to put in order the color controls, I think it would be the same for the letters.

I agree with you that being able to make simple words in FF, would be good altough it can be hard if as you say you want to have them all available at the same with 5 bombers (25 letters) and to control all of them would be perhaps complex.

I do not know if the above is clear enough so I will explain it again

Do you know about placing the images in the SAME order as the color controls?
As said, that the first color control image appears in the first place of the squares of the above screenshot example, then it would appear the image from second color control and so on, and when reach the 10th color control it would start again

I tried a couple things. Conclusion: the bomber isn't really the thing. Way too many params... just kinda hard to deal with it overall. Use a combo of thresholds to clip needed images. Seems easier dealt.

Yeh... But honestly I feel the bomber's function is gonna be a brick wall for something you're talking about.

There is something I have thought that bomber really is NOT absolutely random (as it does not give different results with the same settings, and always follows a defined "random" pattern, I mean that the randomness of the bomber is really supplied by the variation seed value, and so for value 1 it will ALWAYS distribute the particles in exactly same way and will not change, so you only need to know what is this "random" pattern and perhaps could be possible to make a black and white pattern to mask the input of chances.

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Skybase I tried a couple things. Conclusion: the bomber isn't really the thing. Way too many params... just kinda hard to deal with it overall. Use a combo of thresholds to clip needed images. Seems easier dealt.

Sorry, what do you mean with "Use a combo of thresholds to clip needed images"? Do you refer to the input images, or which ones, and why should I clip them?

Thanks for trying, although is not good news, but anyway, if somebody FF expert and experienced like you does not know how this could be possible to be done, then it may be really difficult to make, hard and complex. Maybe must be done in a similar complex way as ThreeDee have already done for his filter, which I still do not understand how was done.

Bomber has way too many params...? Well, I think that this is not a problem in this case because as I have put in my filter of the first post, the bomber settings are very much reduced when using the bomber this way as you can´t modify most of the bomber parameters and must be kept fixed, or you will get unwanted results.

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Skybase Yeh... But honestly I feel the bomber's function is gonna be a brick wall for something you're talking about

Maybe this can be the same brick wall as it already happened with the topic of controling bomber spacing and is not possible to make or it would be through script or very hard and complex to make.

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Skybase Not that you should not experiment with the bomber

Yes, if it is not said that is not possible in any way, is worth to kepp trying, I will see about what I have put at the beginning of this post and if this could be something useful or not to consider for this.

I have been trying what I have explained above of finding the pattern of the randomness of the variation setting, but have found that this will not work, because you CAN´T change the already defined pattern, and can´t control what will appear, you must follow exactly the SAME pattern as it already has, and there are repetitions that are unwanted and can´t be changed, so forget about this idea above.

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With me saying "too many params" I'm really saying "do what you can pre-bomber" If you have the opportunity to rotate and scale without the bomber, do it because it'll save ridiculous amounts of render time and it'll also make up for a more concise filter.

OH, I understand, and this is something I have been also thinking that instead of doing it inside the bomber, it could be done in some way organize it and make all outside of the bomber first and then feed it. There was somewhere a filter that did this.

Thanks very much also for explaining the Threedee way and how to apply it to the bomber, will see what I can do.

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Skybase No, you can control how the bomber orders something. It's just the chance input that needs tweaking

Yes, I agree and also believe that you can control how the bomber orders something, and is done through the chance input, what I said is that my idea of controlling it through studying how the variation seed value works with the bomber chance is bad and silly.

Thanks to Indigo Ray that suggested me to look at the Xia Script by Xirja I have found something interesting and that shows that, as you say well, you can control how the bomber orders something

Here xirja have used the tiles and to get that pattern have ONLY risen the value of the L range to 100 and changed variation to 5