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Kraellin
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i submitted my first formal filter today to the upload area. i remember reading, either here or on retouchpro, that these arent automatically approved for use in FF. that's fine. i was just wondering how we find out if our filter has been approved or not. do we get an email, a notice here on the boards, something sent through FF or what? and if not approved, i'd like a notice also: 'sorry, your filter was not approved for our packaging. it's too similar to an existing filter.' something like that.

craig
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Vladimir Golovin
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Kraellin wrote:
do we get an email, a notice here on the boards, something sent through FF or what? and if not approved, i'd like a notice also: 'sorry, your filter was not approved for our packaging.


Yes, we notify authors of approval and yes, we give the reason if the filter was rejected.
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Quasimondo
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Yesterday I received one filter submission rejection and I find the current reply to be a bit to vague:

[...]
The filter fails to meet one or more of the following guidelines:

Guidelines for filter quality:
- Filter Name should suggest the look and purpose of the filter.
- Description should tell users what the filter can be used for.
- Factory presets must be sufficiently different from each other.
- Control names should suggest the way the controls work.
- Keywords must be relevant to the filter.
[...]

It would be more helpful if in those mails you could point out what exactly was the reason for a rejection, as of course I personally thought that my filter did meet all the requirements. In the end I think this will save you unnecessary work because you don't have to check and reject resubmissions again and again.
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Kraellin
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thanks vladimir.

craig
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Vladimir Golovin
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Quasimondo, that's really strange -- I currently handle the submissions myself and I remember that I gave specific reasons for every rejected filter. Could you please remind me the names of your filters were rejected (Camouflage? Orange Something?).

The answer you quoted above is our template. It seems to me that our "rejection notes" edit field just doesn't work. Anyone else got a rejection without reasons?
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CFandM
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I had sent a couple of submissions and got that same mail as above. I wondered why but then I compared mine to others and found what the matter was.
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Quasimondo
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Yes it was Camouflage - and I just checked the mail once again - there is no specific information given, just the text above and a link to the guidelines.
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Ken
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I submitted a filter yesterday and I’ve heard nothing?

Where are the submitted filters? I can’t find any. All the filters in the library say ‘Already Downloaded’?

Ken.
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CFandM
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One of my submissions was most likly the orange something. It was orange roughy but I am way past that one now. As I now know better.
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Vladimir Golovin
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CFandM wrote:
Yes it was Camouflage


Yes, I clearly remember giving a specific reason -- anti-aliasing problem (jaggy edges) and weird-colored presets which didn't look like camouflage at all (pink glamour camouflage anyone? smile:D )

So, I guess the rejection form in our admin section just plain doesn't work. I'm assigning this to the programmers.
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Vladimir Golovin
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Vladimir Golovin wrote:
It was orange roughy


... but it had green, blue, black, violet presets smile:) -- I just suggested to choose another name that doesn't reference a specific color.
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Vladimir Golovin
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Ken wrote:
Where are the submitted filters?


Sorting through the queue right now.
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CFandM
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Vladimir Golovin wrote:
but it had green, blue, black, violet presets Smile -- I just suggested to choose another name that doesn't reference a specific color. Posted: May 28, 2006 12:23 pm


Sorry don't know where my head was. I changed the name and found other things to do with it then the more I looked at it the more I didn't really like it. So I worked on other filters. smile:)
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Vladimir Golovin
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Seems that we have some problems with the library server -- tried to render some of the submitted filters, and it is really slow. Still trying.
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Quasimondo
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>Yes, I clearly remember giving a specific reason -- anti-aliasing >problem (jaggy edges) and weird-colored presets which didn't look >like camouflage at all (pink glamour camouflage anyone? )

Alright I'll check out the problem with the jaggy edges. But I'd say that the pink glamour camouflage preset is negotiatable - at least over here in Germany I've seen "techno"-camouflage patterns in exactly those colourschemes...

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Vladimir Golovin
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Ok, check the edges and resubmit smile:)
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Ken
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Hi Vladimir.
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Yes, we notify authors of approval and yes, we give the reason if the filter was rejected


Still heard nothing on my filter. Not even a rejection. Did I submit it correctly?

Ken.
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Vladimir Golovin
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Ken wrote:
Still heard nothing on my filter. Not even a rejection. Did I submit it correctly?


Ken -- you did everything right, and the filter is in the queue. The problem is on our side, not on your side -- we're so totally overwhelmed with the sheer amount of traffic and submissions, plus the tools we designed for the approval pipeline are, frankly, pile of crap.

There are currently 39 filters in the queue, and I'm still unable to deal with it. I occassionally approve some filters here and there, but I try not to decline anything because our current approval form doesn't allow to specify the reason for rejection due to a bug.

To deal with this, I'm preparing a separate forum, it will be called "Creating and Submitting Filters", and I'll try to deal with this problem there. Hopefully, I'll sort this out today or tomorrow.

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Vladimir Golovin
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A quick note -- the approval pipeline is the biggest problem Filter Forge currently has. The software itself is quite stable, and the majority of bugs we've got from testers are already fixed. But the library and approval need quite a lot of reworking.

This is my number one priority at the moment.
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Kraellin
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vladimir,

we've already discovered on retouchpro that one can share the .xml files with each other. you probably didnt want that to happen, but there it is. it isnt going to invalidate the program; you still need FF to run the .xml's.

but, the good side to this is that we could send our .xml files directly by email if that would help in the approval thing. i've sent two so far and no response yet either. the files are very small, so email or even instant messenger could handle them quite easily.

craig
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Vladimir Golovin
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Kraellin wrote:
you probably didnt want that to happen, but there it is.


Quite the opposite -- feel free to share! I hope you are aware of the Ctrl+L hotkey smile;)
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Vladimir Golovin
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Vladimir Golovin wrote:
we could send our .xml files directly by email if that would help in the approval thing


We've tweaked the approval admin console a little, and now it works MUCH better and faster -- I've just approved one filter. Plus, now I can give specific rejection reasons via email.

So now things look a lot less scary than yesterday.
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Kraellin
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Vladimir Golovin wrote:
Quite the opposite -- feel free to share! I hope you are aware of the Ctrl+L hotkey


excellent!

craig
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