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Frafra
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Hello,
I installed the trial version because I was looking for "guilloché" type of pattern.
Guilloche wikipedia
Guillochage sample
Other sample
I'm a product designer and I was trying to make a map to used for rendering based on this filter (using Vray render engine).
After using it for 1 week, it sounds like my quest definitively fall to the mathematic more then to the artistic approach.
So I'm wondering, is there some FF expert that would like to try this quest or should I just submit a request here on the forum?
Seem there is no job thread on this forum.

Thanks
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ThreeDee
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Ghislaine has made several Spirogram creators such as this.

She might be able to help you.
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CFandM
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I am up for a challenge since I have time on my hands... smile;) smile:)
Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times!
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Frafra
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Thanks, for sure I'm not the one that will take on this challenge.
That's not a job for a beginner like me.


The closest filter I've found is the one from Sammy:Metal weave by Sammy
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Rachel Duim
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Here's an example of using interference (moire) patterns by mixing 4 gradients (via rotate and blending). Is this in the direction you are interested in?

Math meets art meets psychedelia.
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Rachel Duim
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Another example with more of a drawn look.

Math meets art meets psychedelia.
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Frafra
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Thanks Rick, yes that's the type of pattern that are commonly used in the watch industry. It's always based on line crossing, with concentricity or linear or weaved direction.
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Rachel Duim
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Ok, that's good to hear. So you indicated you need "map" output. Do you mean black & white for use as a height (bump) map in your rendering software?? Do you need a normal map? I am going to look for more patterns. It seems that the "drawn" one I show above is used a lot in watches.

Also, you might be able to do a test with the previous image as input to your rendering software. Let me know how you want to proceed.

UPDATE: Since my French is so poor, I found an English page on Guilloché (engine turning) with some great examples and a great video on the topic.

Guilloché (Engine-Turning)
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Rachel Duim
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Here is another test, using the Interference filter in soft edge mode as a bump map. Using the bump map in Surface Texture Engine with a plain yellow orange background.

Math meets art meets psychedelia.
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Frafra
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Rick Duim wrote:
Guilloché (Engine-Turning)

Thanks for the link, that's very interesting.

I've more affinity with the straight line than the circle one. The circle one can be crop to get rid of the center and offset the pattern from the center by quite a good margin to avoid/minimized the concentric effect.

Regarding the soft (vray), the bump as well as the normal map can be plug easily for sure. The diffuse will be done inside vray directly and I may tried to plug the occlusion map on top of the diffuse map using a mix map.
As per the Metallic & specular, I don't know yet so I have to run some test.
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Rachel Duim
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You are a step ahead of me. smile;) The next step is adding a linear (straight line) option, then after that I will add options that allow you to pick where each type (Circle, Twist, Linear) is "etched" based on radius, this will allow for concentric circles that have a different look, more like a real watch part. With any luck I will have it done by the end of the weekend.
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Frafra
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Whaou, that sounds ambitious. I'm trying to get the right result into vray but need some input from the vray community forum to get the FF input map right into the right slot of the render engine. For now it looks a lot better in FF than in Vray.
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Rachel Duim
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Try this image as your bump map. The one above has hard edges.

UPDATE: There is a blur option in Vray for the importing of bitmaps as bump maps. You need to experiment with the blur value to get a decent look.

Vray Bump Maps

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Rachel Duim
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It did not take that long to come up with some results. Here are some results, taking the bump map and putting them through Surface Texture Engine again.

Math meets art meets psychedelia.
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Rachel Duim
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And another one.

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Rachel Duim
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One more for the evening.

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Frafra
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smile:banana: nothing can stop you.
Thanks for the bump.
I believe that Normal map will work better, or even displacement map, but let's me first try with he bump map.
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Frafra
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Here is a test, including bump/map & specular.
Not so good compare to the reference watch photography. I probably have to work the lighting more.

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Frafra
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here are the setup

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Frafra
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here are the setup

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Rachel Duim
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Do not know Vray but... My guess would be to increase the "height" of the bitmap (should be a parameter somewhere). And the direction of the light sources is critical.

Here is another bump map, this one has some linear lines for variety.

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Rachel Duim
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And another bump map with larger details for your testing.

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Frafra
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mm, seems that everytime I refresh Firefox, the message is published. Sorry about that.
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Rachel Duim
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Ok, here is part one of the task at hand. This is the the "bump map" version of the filter without lighting, you can use it in Vray etc etc.

Note that as you download the filter, let FF 5 run it. You will find the filter in the My Filters folder.

I will officially release the full version next week with lighting and all of the maps, such as bump, diffuse, normal etc.

Guilloche Map.ffxml
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Frafra
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Thanks You Rick, will try to find my way into the tree and understand how it's works to create my own.
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