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TheBeat
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In another thread (Images and problems), CFandM answered :
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Yep the path to the image is recorded with the preset....


I am wondering if this behavior is 'correct' smile:-)

Let me give you an example : I have a filter and I made different presets of settings I like. The Filter has one or more images. Now I want to work the filter on different images, so I load the new images I want to treat with my FF filter. But I had made some presets, which I would like to call up. But as soon as I load a preset, the old images (the ones that were loaded at the time of storing the preset) are loaded again and my new images, the ones that I want to treat with my filter, have gone.

So my question is, what is the value of such presets? It defeats the purpose of presets in my opinion.

Imagine you call up a curve preset (or any other preset you've stored) in Photoshop, and bang, the image your working on is gone and the image that was there at the time of storing the preset suddenly is loaded. I think this is unwanted behavior and maybe I am stupid, but it just does not make sense to me smile:-)

Hope somebody has a sensible solution for this presets behavior.

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CFandM
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Yep this is the predictable behavior of FF....I am just a user and filter author for quite a long time so this is MHO...Presets are just a snapshot of what the settings are for the filter and any images that are loaded......So if you click a preset that image loads...So you would have to reload an image and then update the preset or create a new preset to always load that image......

If you submit a filter to the library and have several presets that use the built-in images the only way to show that is to create presets to show that....ie pointing the app to those images.....So when the user downloads the filter they do not need to do anything to get that same result as seen on the filters webpage...(using the default image)...
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TheBeat
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Your attribution to the FF community is very big looking at your posts and filters submitted. I am grateful that you and others have made so many contributions and let me profit from your experiences.

Yes you’re right and I was thinking the same, these are not ‘Presets’, these are Snapshots, which is a completely different animal. Useful sometimes, but IMHO nowhere as important as real Presets.

But I came across something : When loading an external image through the menu (so loading the image into the Image component - not the Color Control component), and making a ‘Preset’, the preset thumbnail shows the Lifesaver and not the image. When quitting FF and restarting and then clicking on the Preset made with the external image, that image does not get loaded. And FF does not complain if the external image has been renamed or moved. The images loaded into a Color Control component and saved in a preset, show that image in the thumbnail of the preset and do provoke a complaint from FF when the image is not at the same location.

Anyway, there is different behavior between the images in the Image component and images in the Color Control component.
I wish I would understand why that is smile:-)

A possible solution would be for the creators of FF, to make possible a way to save a second kind of Presets (real presets smile:-), which do not include the images used and thus behave more like I (and possible more people) might expect from a preset. So actually call the current presets 'Snapshots' and create the possibility for Presets.
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Beat
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I ran into more, IMHO, very strange behavior with Presets.

If I change the value of a control connected to a component, then make a new Preset, all is well.

But, if I change a value of a component in the Editor, make a new preset, then all my already carefully crafted presets are being changed in accordance to the changed parameter.

I think this is very unwanted behavior. A change in a setting should never be able to change saved Presets.
Presets should be save, at any time. That's why they are 'Presets'.
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CFandM
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Yep more expected behavior......Think of editing the controls in the editor as a "Global" setting which affects all presets....Where as changing a preset or making a new preset you are changing the settings "Locally" which just affects that certain preset that you change or save......
However when you are in the editor you can select "Filter Controls" under the results component and create that way without changing settings "Globally"...

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Beat
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Thanks CFandM for your clarification.

Still it seems strange to me. Because in the "Filter Controls" (in the editor), I can only change the values of a control for a component. If I quickly want to try a change in a component (not having a control for that input), I cannot do that without destroying maybe tens of hours of work in the presets I had already saved. Shot down the drain with one little change in a component. This does not seem right to me smile:-(

Of course, I could make a duplicate of the filter before I start experimenting, but I think, that this is not the way programmers work. I work in a flow and do not want to disrupt that flow with necessaties that distract. Of course we make backUps, but not because of a strange quirk of an application. Ok maybe, for one, but not for too many.

Another, related question : is it possible to copy a Preset from one filter to another?
Of course, the filters would have to be at least similar.
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