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Crapadilla
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I was wondering whether it was possible to compile a list of general "characteristics" that 'Low' usage filters have in common as a guideline for filter authors.

Some of the most important "characteristics" off the top of my head...

[*]Poor Interactive Rendering Performance: One of the prime usage killers in my book. If a filter is too slow for me to be able to tweak it interactively, I'll seldom bother, regardless of the visual quality of the filter. I had to learn this the hard way with 'Synthetic Cubism'. While I love the filter, it's a royal PITA to tweak even on fast machines.

[*]Over-specialization: The filter is so specialized that its potential use is limited from the start. Take my 'Liquorice Snail' as an example: It looks nice but still it has low usage (and that since ages, because it also renders slowly).

[*]Slap-Dash-Authoring: The filter hasn't received any 'love' whatsoever from its author. This is mostly evident in non-existent/trivial descriptions, poor (or less than 9) factory presets and bad control naming.

[*]The Big Yawn Effect: This is similar to the "Slap-Dash-Authoring" in that the filter simply fails to make any impression at all. Filter library users have been so overexposed to large numbers of bland noises, generic patterns and kaleidoscopes, so don't bother to sink another one in the flood. Be creative!

[*]Lifesaver-centric Authoring: The filter looks excellent on the default lifesaver image, but it hasn't been constructed for other images or even tested on them. Big mistake, as the filter will quickly be dumped when this is discovered!

[*]Triviality: The filter does something that is utterly trivial. If that something can be achieved by standard photoshop means in a fraction of the loading-time of FF, why bother with the filter?

[*]Rip-Off: The filter is a clear rip-off of some successful filter. It is likely that users familiar with the filter library will detect such rip-offs instantly and just use the original filter.

[*]Broken Seamlessness: Many filters break when the 'Size, pixels' slider is used. In many cases this indicates bad filter construction and constitutes a major detriment towards earning an Editor's Pick.

[*]Bad Lead Preset: Since the lead preset is the first thing most users see when stumbling upon a filter, it should be as spectacular and representative of the filter as possible. Anything else just sells the filter below its actual value.

Feel free to contribute... smile:)
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StevieJ
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Excellent rundown!!! smile:) smile:) smile:)

The only thing I can add off of the top of my head is a "Misleading title".....which could go under "Slap-Dash-Authoring".....
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Characteristics of Low Usage Filters

Poor Interactive Rendering Performance: One of the prime usage killers in my book. If a filter is too slow for me to be able to tweak it interactively, I'll seldom bother, regardless of the visual quality of the filter. I had to learn this the hard way with 'Synthetic Cubism'. While I love the filter, it's a royal PITA to tweak even on fast machines.

Over-specialization: The filter is so specialized that its potential use is limited from the start. Take my 'Liquorice Snail' as an example: It looks nice but still it has low usage (and that since ages, because it also renders slowly).

Slap-Dash-Authoring: The filter hasn't received any 'love' whatsoever from its author. This is mostly evident in non-existent/trivial descriptions, poor (or less than 9) factory presets, bad control naming, and bad filter titles.

Lifesaver-centric Authoring: The filter looks excellent on the default lifesaver image, but it hasn't been constructed for other images or even tested on them. Big mistake, as the filter will quickly be dumped when this is discovered!

Triviality: The filter does something that is utterly trivial. If that something can be achieved by standard photoshop means in a fraction of the loading-time of FF, why bother with the filter?

Rip-Off: The filter is a clear rip-off of some successful filter. It is likely that users familiar with the filter library will detect such rip-offs instantly and just use the original filter.

Broken Seamlessness: Many filters break when the 'Size, pixels' slider is used. In many cases this indicates bad filter construction and constitutes a major detriment towards earning an Editor's Pick.

Bad Lead Preset: Since the lead preset is the first thing most users see when stumbling upon a filter, it should be as spectacular and representative of the filter as possible. Anything else just sells the filter below its actual value.

You should put this under a "How to get High Usage filters" in FF......
Steve

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Crapadilla
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[*]Jack-Of-All-Trades: These are filters that attempt to do everything and consequently fail to do anything really well. My personal advice would be to keep filters focused on specific tasks (naturally there are exceptions to the rule). Keep in mind that filters are usually expected to provide solutions to very specific visual 'problems', whereas a jack-off-all-trades filter best lends itself to experimental purposes.

[*]Undiscoverable: With 4000+ filters on the library, keyword searches become very important. Many filters cannot be reliably found via these searches simply because they sport bad/undescriptive titles, descriptions and insufficient keywords that fail to provide the search engine with something to work with. Undiscoverable filters are a symptom of applied "Slap-Dash-Authoring".
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Mousewrites
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Crapadilla wrote:
Over-specialization:



::keels over and dies::

Yup, that's what gets me. I mostly make filters that no one could possibly have a need for (Scab, anyone?) and then wonder why they're not used. smile:D
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jffe
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Mousewrites wrote:
(Scab, anyone?)


----Seems like you showed an example of that, and it was for-text. That should maybe almost be a new category really, something that seems to be popular/highly used for commercial brochure/ad/magazine graphic artists. You might title them like "Scab - For Text", or something along those lines, so that people would know exactly how it's going to work best for them, like in what situation. Just an idea, since I swear I recall seeing an example like that. smile:)

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CFandM
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jffe wrote:
Just an idea, since I swear I recall seeing an example like that. Smile

This is an old post about using FF for text..

http://www.filterforge.com/forum/read...essage4007

Some of my filters are guilty of this...But I expected them to not be real highly used....Good write-Up thou Crapadilla...Another Wiki page in the making.. smile:D
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Mousewrites
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jffe wrote:
Seems like you showed an example of that, and it was for-text
Yeah, it's in the comments.

I have several things like that; they look TERRIBLE with the default input, but I have no way of showing what I acutally intend them for without putting an image into the comments.

Of course, that really doesn't help get a HU, becuase people aren't looking in the comments for other example pics. My Midas filter I'm working on is going to be the same way. It doesn't look so good on the lifesaver, (I'm tweaking it so it will, as much as I can) but it does stuff like this:


The only way people are going to know how it really looks is to look in the comments.

I wish that we had an optional 'example pic' we could upload to the filter page, so people could see what the author intended.
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jffe
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jffe wrote:
You might title them like "Scab - For Text", or something along those lines,


----Well, if they can't 'get the idea' from a filter named "Scab - For Text", then wow, I dunno what to say then ha-ha. And sure, that's not a 100% perfect solution, but, it is something you can do right now, no waiting or wishing required. smile:D Just tryin' to be helpful eh.

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CFandM wrote:
Some of my filters are guilty of this...But I expected them to not be real highly used


----Some people are just more concerned about what they submit to the library I guess, and maybe now that the library is umm, fuller ha-ha, maybe they have the right idea. Speaking of CF&M filters, did you ever do an Abstract Growth 4 ? 3 was alright, but I liked 2 the best so far. smile:)

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ssamm
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Interesting Midas filter, Mousewrites. My suggestion is, in your filter description, mention that you're going to provide better image examples in the filter's Comment Thread. (I think this would get me curious enough to click on the comments link.)



Crapadilla, nice tips. smile:)

(I hope this doesn't stifle creativity too much -- as I also have appreciated people's filters even when they break these ideas. That is, even if I won't use it much, I often like the "one-time" examination of the filter in a tutorial/technique sense....)


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Carl
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All good tips Dilla -
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Crapadilla wrote:
Rip-Off: The filter is a clear rip-off of some successful filter. It is likely that users familiar with the filter library will detect such rip-offs instantly and just use the original filter.

I am disappointed when you see ripoffs get Hu and there is quite a few - so I guess not everyone can distinguish between the original and the clone version in fact there is no real way of knowing unless there has been a comment in the comment thread to date it and then the person compares dates or you are like us aware of the library contents.When I first started here I was guilty of not checking the library carefully to see if a same filter or similar existed [ crumpled is a prime example ] so maybe a tip to Checking Library before submitting smile:)
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CFandM
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jffe wrote:
Speaking of CF&M filters, did you ever do an Abstract Growth 4 ? 3 was alright, but I liked 2 the best so far.


Nope never did a 4...Spring of 08 maybe.. smile:)
I liked 2 better than 3 also..
smile:)

Back to the thread...

smile:D

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Carl wrote:
so maybe a tip to Checking Library before submitting Smile


Yep I had that in a tut that I wrote a while ago..It was one of the first things
to do before anything...
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Kraellin
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. Bad Promotion (PR) a filter with poor presets or misleading or misreprentable presets will get overlooked in a hurry, in my book. this is where you put your best foot forward. i look at a LOT of filters by simply looking at the presets, either in the library or in the GUI. if the presets look like crap, i'm likely to pass it by in a hurry.

this can also extend to joining the forums here. PR is important. join the forum and comment on your own filters. you've got to be a bit shameless at times and promote your own work. post examples, also. show how the filter works visually. sometimes the presets by themselves just wont really show off how good a filter really is. this is more frequent than some may realize.

also, the library displays in seamless tiles. therefore, your presets shld be rendered in seamless or, you need to show, in the forums here, a represention in non-seamless.

this also extends to writing up GOOD descriptions. a description has to be fairly brief within the filter. the space is limited. and because of the nature of how FF works, it's also sometimes a good idea to describe how to USE your filter, especially if you have selectors that have separate controls for only one branch of the filter. folks will be expecting that all controls will work in all instances and this just may not be the case at times. so, explain things. a description like 'this filter makes patterns' is a pretty lame description and i've seen descriptions that say nothing more than the filter name again. and DO use a spellchecker if you can.
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Crapadilla
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Bump! This must not be buried, so I'm compiling it into a wiki entry... smile;) smile:D
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CFandM
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Crapadilla wrote:
Bump! This must not be buried, so I'm compiling it into a wiki entry... Wink Big grin


Good Ideal..+1 smile:)

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Crapadilla
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Done!

There is now a quick & dirty wiki page for this. Feel free to expand upon it... smile:)
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Carl
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CFandM wrote:
Good Ideal..+1

+2

oh and thanks for not mentioning me by name smile;) smile:D
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CFandM
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Carl wrote:
oh and thanks for not mentioning me by name Wink Big grin

smile:D


I think I was close to first that violated this one..Broken Seamlessness... smile:D
I don't call it poor construction..I call it Creative Construction.. smile;) smile:dgrin:
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SpaceRay
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Is the first time that I find this after so many time, and is a very good list and well done, interesting and useful to read

Sorry that I did never see it on the wiki

I think as this is very helpful it should be made a sticky and be always available

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Crapadilla wrote:
Bump! This must not be buried, so I'm compiling it into a wiki entry...


sorry that I bump this thread again, but as you say well this must not be buried, and although you have already put it on the wiki, not mNy FF users see the wiki and find it, so I wanted to bring it back on the forum

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Kraellin wrote:
. Bad Promotion (PR) a filter with poor presets or misleading or misreprentable presets will get overlooked in a hurry, in my book. this is where you put your best foot forward


I totally agree with this, making the filter is only the first part, you must take much care of building good, interesting, useful and helpful presets that will really show what your filter can do and the many possible variations it could have AND also use different built-in images and not only use the same built-in image to make all the presets, as it may look good on one image but not good on others

If you make a filter and do not care about making good presets it will be probably bad
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McGyver
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None of the filters I've made have ever been designed for anything else other than some texturing project I was working on, or as a byproduct of one... So technically, I'm not trying to get usage points, just passing on stuff I found useful...

But, what I was wondering is...

Doesn't it matter more that people set their preferences to report usage?

No matter how great a filter is and no matter how many people use it, unless Filter Forge passes that information on, it won't be known.
I'm assuming that is how it works.
I know I've had my various versions set to report usage for a long time, but I don't remember if it was a default setting or if I had to set it... I remember at one point it became "unset" but I reset it.

I bring this up because I know there are a lot of folks that dislike or distrust software "phoning home"... But as far as I know, Filter Forge only reports the filter usage with that setting.
Correct?
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GMM
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McGyver wrote:
Filter Forge only reports the filter usage with that setting.
Correct?


Yes, of course. Our software never send out data without explicit user permission (which is usually asked at first program startup).
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Kraellin
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"[*]Jack-Of-All-Trades: These are filters that attempt to do everything and consequently fail to do anything really well."

i'll take a small exception to this one because I've made several "multi-filters" which are not designed to be very specific and do try to do "everything". this is on purpose. the role of these filters is to inspire other filters. I throw things together without any care to if a thing looks good or not and I wire the components such that one component may get used in several different series or strings of components. thus, when you hit the randomize control, you are never sure what you're going to get. that's the whole purpose. I've made many filters off of a multi-filter. once I hit the randomize and something interesting shows up, I make a preset and go into the editor. I then hit that preset again and find the string of components that made that effect and then make a new filter out of that series.

saying all that, I almost never publish the jack of all trades filters because most of the randomizing comes up mostly worthless... but every once in a while, I find a gem smile:)
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Chin Rey
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Crapadilla wrote:
[*]Rip-Off: The filter is a clear rip-off of some successful filter. It is likely that users familiar with the filter library will detect such rip-offs instantly and just use the original filter.


That's what worries me a bit. Just like McGyver I don't really worry about usage stats for all the filters I submit. I make and modify filters for my own needs and sometimes just for fun and if the result is something that can be useful to others too, I'm happy to share. Besides, I only need one lifetime upgrade anyway and I'm fairly confident I'll manage to qualify for that soon enough.

But most of the filters I use are modified versions of filters already in the library and I'm always worried that it wouldn't be fair to the original creator if I submit it. A good example is the filter mod I've just finished. I needed a chainlink fence texture and found Mike Blackney's amazing Rusty Chainlink filter. But I needed a few extra functions, slightly warped wires, the option clean the rust out completely, a lower repeat rate and less "noisy" normal maps. Are those additions enough that I should submit the filter to the library? I'm not sure and I'd love to hear other people's opinion.

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GMM wrote:
Yes, of course. Our software never send out data without explicit user permission (which is usually asked at first program startup).


I think that is broken. I have my prefs set to Always ask before sending but I haven't been asked once since I upgraded to version 6.0.
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GMM
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It works for me. If you think it got stuck, please switch it to "Always send", restart Filter Forge and switch it back to "Always ask". You can also open c:\Users\your_user_name\AppData\Roaming\Filter Forge 6\Options.xml and check the UsageStatsSendingType parameter is set to 1.
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Chin Rey
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GMM wrote:
It works for me. If you think it got stuck, please switch it to "Always send", restart Filter Forge and switch it back to "Always ask".


Yes, that worked, thank you smile:)
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