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Totte
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pile of stones by Totte
http://www.filterforge.com/filters/7860.html  - I never expected the Spanish inquisition |
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| Posted: October 14, 2009 1:35 am | ||||||
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Totte
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An updated filter on it's way, even better, fixed some stuff found, and added some more settings.
I'm having problems submitting right now... - I never expected the Spanish inquisition |
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| Posted: October 14, 2009 1:36 am | ||||||
Carl
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This one looks interesting Totte
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| Posted: October 14, 2009 4:34 am | ||||||
| Constantin Malkov |
You are in a few steps from the real masterpiece. IMO, stones are very good, but their textures is the weaker side and spoil the final image.
Here is you are much closer and I would continue in this way:  |
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| Posted: October 14, 2009 6:15 am | ||||||
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Totte
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Thank you
The one uploaded recently (not yet up on the server) have 4 different texture options, and I've fixed a "glitch" in the height mapper. I will look into adding more texture options for the version I am working on right now, specially multiple options where stone have different texture types.  - I never expected the Spanish inquisition |
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| Posted: October 14, 2009 6:46 am | ||||||
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Totte
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Or like this:
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| Posted: October 14, 2009 8:09 am | ||||||
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Totte
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This is the latest version, in wait for two upload iterations;
pile of stones.ffxml - I never expected the Spanish inquisition |
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| Posted: October 14, 2009 8:10 am | ||||||
CysticCraze
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Ehh, take apart someones stone texture. You got it good with the stones, but you need that texture better. I see what your going for but IDK if FF can do it with such easiness, I suggest using someone elses rock texture (With credit of course) and then making a new filter once you have perfected your look.
We walk through life building our castles but far to many cease to build the foundations. |
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| Posted: October 14, 2009 8:49 am | ||||||
Kraellin
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river gravel... cool!
If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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| Posted: October 14, 2009 1:55 pm | ||||||
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Totte
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Cystic, is this stone texture more of your liking?
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| Posted: October 16, 2009 4:12 am | ||||||
| Constantin Malkov |
On the last examples they look too similar, IMHO. It's possible to make the different textures for the each stone.
And it's also possible to mix the filter with other filters For example with the "Water Caustics" filter: 
More variations with the same filters: 1, 2, 3 |
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| Posted: October 16, 2009 10:36 am | ||||||
Indigo Ray
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Did you try doing this with the new bomber component? |
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| Posted: October 18, 2009 6:20 pm | ||||||
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Totte
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I've tried with Indigo Rays nice water caustics and it works great, I just need to write a nice RFB (Request For Bastarding) to Indigo Ray, so here it is comes "Hey Indigo, can I bastardize, your water caustics filter in pile of stones?"
I've tried with bombers, and so far no luck as It will take too many levels of bombers to make it look the same, as the heightmap has to be carefully built and it just doesn't do that they way I want it right now, without being grotesquely slow, even on my 16 core machine. - I never expected the Spanish inquisition |
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| Posted: October 19, 2009 12:44 am | ||||||
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Indigo Ray
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Hahaha! To answer you, I'd rather you not paste my caustics right in your filter, but if you were to suggest combining your stones with my caustics in the filter description I would be overjoyed!
Tell me about it. My grass filter (using the bomber), is my slowest filter yet by probably 2x. |
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| Posted: October 20, 2009 6:29 pm | ||||||
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Totte
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@ Indigo Ray: That was about the same answer I would have given!
I can hint about it in my next update. - I never expected the Spanish inquisition |
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| Posted: October 20, 2009 11:59 pm | ||||||
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kurts
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great filter of course, but also a good example why bump map not always are useful as displacement maps. I really miss true displacement/depth maps in FF.
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| Posted: December 13, 2010 6:39 pm | ||||||
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Totte
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The height map is generated in a rather special way in this filter, mostly to get the height on top layer of stones, ignoring the lower levels as there was not any space left in the height range.
I could probably do that differently in FF2.0 but I've never got the time to revisit this filter. - I never expected the Spanish inquisition |
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| Posted: December 14, 2010 12:26 am | ||||||
Sphinx.
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I think the problem there is because you do not take into consideration the layer indices.
Lets say you have 4 layers of stone you want to mix (each in range 0..1). Then the correct way of mixing them is not simple alphamask blending, but rather: (layer index + layer value) / (number of layers + 1) you can do that for already blended layers too, you just need to prepare the "blended" indices too. This way you ensure that max value of layer 1 is <= min value of layer 2 and so on.. EDIT: Layer 1 is the bottom layer in this formula.. |
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| Posted: December 14, 2010 1:30 am | ||||||
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Totte
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@Sphinx: yes, you are right, and in FF 2 this can pretty easily be done, but it was not as easy in FF 1.
Also, bombers changed the way this filter would be built anyway. A rewrite is probably what it needs, I just need to fin the time and the incitement to do it. - I never expected the Spanish inquisition |
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| Posted: December 14, 2010 1:34 am | ||||||
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Sphinx.
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Yes, it is definitely easier in FF2 (because of the RGB Math and HDR ranges), but it should be possible in FF1 too, using multiplication and addition.
I think the bomber would kill all performance
I just tested the formula, it produces something like this for the lead preset (is this what you were looking for Kurts?):  |
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| Posted: December 14, 2010 2:01 am | ||||||
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Totte
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I jus thought to prefab the stone layers as today, then use the bomber to display the prefabbed layers. Doing it stone by stone with a bomber I've already tried that (see above in the thread). - I never expected the Spanish inquisition |
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| Posted: December 14, 2010 2:04 am | ||||||
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Sphinx.
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A general problem with the bomber is that you can't get the layer ordering (indices), Crapadilla complained about that already in the early beta days.. I tried hard to figure out how to "extract" the indices of the bomber, without luck so far..
I attached my formula test.. lazy scripted version I had to discard the late offsets in the original (they break the layering concept), so its not as dense as the original..pile of stones-heightmap combiner.ffxml |
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| Posted: December 14, 2010 2:14 am | ||||||
SpaceRay
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Excelent and very well done filter that makes such impressive and really realistic pile of stones in such a good way. Congratulations for making this great work.
Please, could there be a way to update this filter to FF 3.0 to be able to add our own textures to the stones ? Thanks very much for this filter and is also good for learning how to make this kind of piles of images inside FF. |
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| Posted: May 8, 2012 7:30 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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I have just tried changing some settings and SURPRISE, SURPRISE!! This is much more than making simple stones !!! You can really make alien weird stones in strange shapes
These ones look like more like vegetables  |
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| Posted: May 8, 2012 7:45 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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And here are some weird green silver stones
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| Posted: May 8, 2012 7:48 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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Silver weird stones
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| Posted: May 8, 2012 7:51 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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Silver black higher resolution using size pixel reduction with a 2000 x 2000 size
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| Posted: May 8, 2012 8:06 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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Using the same above source I have opened this one in Photoshop and added an color image layer over this and mixed it with overlay blend mode
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| Posted: May 8, 2012 8:13 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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One question, If you change the Color control 2009 for the updated one of FF 3.0 and activate the "Allowed" images, would this work for adding your own external textures to the stones?
I could try it myself BUT they have LOTS OF LINKS to other components so before doing I wanted to know if this would work or not, because seeing how the textures are done I think that it will NOT work in this way. |
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| Posted: May 9, 2012 12:39 pm | ||||||
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Totte
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I think that if I'll do something with this I redoit from scratch, if I need a filter. All my filters are done on a need to have basis.
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| Posted: May 9, 2012 12:44 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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Here is another example with preset 1 and default colors but modifying the settings.
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| Posted: May 9, 2012 12:46 pm | ||||||
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Totte
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Yeah, I know, I used it for a box of banans once
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| Posted: May 9, 2012 12:48 pm | ||||||
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Totte
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OK, in the queue. Added an option to use Sphinx heightmap and to use the image as texture...
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| Posted: May 10, 2012 7:18 am | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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Thanks for making the update
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| Posted: May 10, 2012 1:01 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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The update is already in the online library!!
I will see how it works
I like very much this preset here 
And also much this new preset  |
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| Posted: May 11, 2012 12:35 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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And this with the king fished, this is stonning
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| Posted: May 11, 2012 1:07 pm | ||||||
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Totte
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Just pick the wrong image and you can make it look like a gigantic pile of poo
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| Posted: May 11, 2012 1:08 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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One question that I am curious
Where have you bought the machine to be able to paint all those stones so well done? Or this is one of the new 3D printer that can print OVER real world objects? Here is my stone compass that is broken into pieces  |
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| Posted: May 11, 2012 1:11 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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some firework light reflected
This one and the above here are done with preset 10  |
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| Posted: May 11, 2012 1:18 pm | ||||||
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Totte
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Looks like you really love this filter
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| Posted: May 11, 2012 1:20 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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this is the same image source as the above one here BUT with preset 2 instead
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| Posted: May 11, 2012 1:21 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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YES, how did you notice
I love the new version of this filter that is NOW WAY BETTER than before and more amazing and awesome can be get now Thanks very much for making this new version. To show my love here is this example  |
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| Posted: May 11, 2012 1:29 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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here is in more detail to see how well the stones are now colored with the source image
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| Posted: May 11, 2012 1:32 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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showing MORE love
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| Posted: May 11, 2012 1:39 pm | ||||||
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SpaceRay
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Really this looks more like big distorted colored beans
Here is a close up of the above to see it better  |
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| Posted: May 11, 2012 1:40 pm | ||||||
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