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What do you think of this one?



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Persidio - you name the surface and I will make it. I think it will be great! I don't know about the 3 HU's though - I don't even have one. The impending deadline has made it difficult for me to work on filters. smile:|
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Sheese you are amazing!!!!!!!

Stunning is what I think!

You know you could end up making brass, gold and wood containers... creativity is the limit here... and you have TONS of that so I can't wait to see future releases.

((((this release will always by my fav!!!)))))

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Persidio - you name the surface and I will make it. I think it will be great! I don't know about the 3 HU's though - I don't even have one. The impending deadline has made it difficult for me to work on filters.


Well after your trial runs out... keep posting and we'll keep threads active for promos~ How's that sound? Hang in there.

I know just how you feel about the impending deadline... I keep fighting myself to make filters as well... push yourself over there... don't let the anxiety overwhelm you and you'll thank yourself for it later~ Who knows your last filter could be an HU...

(((Hugs)))

Now go over to FF and make a filter~ LOL I'll be back late this afternoon or evening in the threads.

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Here it is with the bottom whacked off. What do you think - better or worse? I think there is sumthing funky about it.


Ron, I think Kraellin will be pleased, I know I am smile:D
This has a much more polished look to it.

And just curious, because I didn't look into the workings of this filter, is there any way to change the background color? Wondering because of the chance many might want to
use it in their own pictures. Nothing to worry about, I just get strange ideas now and again smile;)

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What do you think of this one?


Really like that new outer shell look, Ron... reminds me of The Terminator's eyeball smile:eek:
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I think Kraellin will be pleased, I know I am


The trick was to get the orb to stay attached inside the vessel. Once I got that figured out it was a piece of cake.


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ny way to change the background color


Sure Foxxee - your wish is my command. I will make it so the background can be changed or knocked out entirely. Thanks for the suggestion. smile:)
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Sure Foxxee - your wish is my command. I will make it so the background can be changed or knocked out entirely. Thanks for the suggestion. Smile


Hey there (waves to Ron) smile:D
That really would be a great extra to have with this filter. If I wanted to remove the background entirely and place the orb in my own picture too... now that would give it a lot more potential for others wanting to have an Orb in their own rendered pictures!
Looking forward to that... thank you smile;)
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Foxxee here is an example with a colored background. I set the background hue to match the center hue. I don't think the knockout is practical with surface filters. I'm not sure, hopefully someone will correct me if i'm wrong, but it looks like I would need to add a new alpha channel for each surface map and that would take an inordinate amount of render time - if it would even work. I think we will have to be satisfied with the various color backgrounds. I hope you're not too disappointed. smile:(

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Hey Ron, I just finished taking a good look at how you did it.....and very clever how you used 'frames' to set this up, 'difference blend' for separation, and how you used 'reflection blur' in the result.....

Personally, I think it looks better with the curve work putting it on a flat surface.....and I think it would be much more usable with the external image added like Craig did with it.....

I also think this would be "Editor's Pick" material if you find a way to keep the "size, pixels" conrol from breaking the effect.....which is something that I'm trying to figure out as well.....
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Hey Steve - take a look at this thread when you get a chance. There are now two versions. They will post on Monday but as you can see I already have another update ready after that.

http://www.filterforge.com/forum/read...4&TID=3345
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I think it looks better with the curve work putting it on a flat surface


It's also faster. But everyone else so far likes it floating. Do you think I should have a floating one *and* an attached one?
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Ah, the last example looks awesome with the added image!!! Please disregard above comment to this smile:D
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I think we will have to be satisfied with the various color backgrounds. I hope you're not too disappointed. Sad


I have no problem with this at all, and I could still easily remove the background in my art program smile:D

Yes, I agree with Steve, looks much better. The focus is on the Orb itself, as it should be! It's so sci-fi, so other-worldly, I just plain love this one!!!

Are you going to allow images to be added to the orb still?

And Steve, I sure hope you find a way around that little buggy problem... can't wait to have more control of our FF. When you discover the solution make a BIG announcement for us smile;)
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BTW Steve, thanks for taking a look at it and noticing how I did it. It’s small but dense. Lot’s of febekdbadck in this one.

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Thanks! smile:D
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going to allow images to be added to the orb still


Absolutely - I think they make cool frames. smile:D
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Do you think I should have a floating one *and* an attached one?

I would just put the curve work on a switch to make the surface optional.....gravity works.....so orbes and geodes are usually resting on something smile:D

As far as further versions go.....maybe you could do some options for different color and pattern backgrounds to it.....
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Ah, the last example looks awesome with the added image


There is a secret to that - I used a different size orb center to do the reflection than is used to contain the image - it makes it look like the image is inside glass.
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PS..... I like how you are getting more "direct" and "simplified" with your use of components in comparison to your previous filters.....getting really good!!! smile:)
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Absolutely - I think they make cool frames. Big grin


They sure do... I wouldn't be surprised if this filter alone spawns all sorts of copy-cats! Be prepared to see "The Birth of Orb" in a theater near you, 'Pet Orbs' with critters floating in them, maybe even a comic book or sci-fi book series called "Orb-nation" smile:D
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As far as further versions go.....maybe you could do some options for different color and pattern backgrounds to it.....


Persidio wants some new surfaces for the vessel so now I have potential for several more.

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I would just put the curve work on a switch to make the surface optional.....gravity works.....so orbes and geodes are usually resting on something


I will look into that - thanks.
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"The Birth of Orb" in a theater near you, 'Pet Orbs' with critters floating in them, maybe even a comic book or sci-fi book series called "Orb-nation" Big grin


LOL smile:D smile:D smile:D smile:D
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Persidio wants some new surfaces for the vessel so now I have potential for several more.

That's a really good idea....sitting on wood-grain, metal, marble surfaces, etc....faded into the black background....excellent idea!!!

By the time you're done, you will be known as "ORB MAN" smile;) smile:D

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I like the idea of a transparent background, but not if it messes up the orb in any way. I can always tube the orb out and then use it as a texture. These orbs would make great posters.
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I like the idea of a transparent background


Everything I add keeps making it slower. I have one other update to do then I will submit, then I will rest, then I will try again with the transparency and run some performance test. I will let you know how it goes. Thanks for your opinion because I was going to drop it. If I can get it work in a reasonable amount of time I will. If I can I will try to have it ready for Tuesday.
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Seriously, if it will mess it up in any way, don't do it. It's great as is and I would rather see you make more styles of orbs.

MORE ORBS! MORE ORBS! MORE ORBS! smile:D

Man, I had no idea it would take so much time to get all my promo stuff put together and uploaded. I still have a little more to upload and then I can post at the sites I plan to promote my filters at. If you would like any help in this for your filters, just email me and I will happily help you. smile:)
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time to get all my promo stuff put together and uploaded. I still have a little more to upload and then I can post at the sites I plan to promote my filters at


I have no idea what you're talking about ahimsa. smile:?:
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Well, to get more people to use your filters and to get you your HUs, it helps if you promote them outside of the FF forums. I have a number of filters that are very close to going HU because of a small promotion I did. This time it will be larger.

What I did was make textures with my filters that can be used for textures on 3D models and made tubes from my filters that have the transparent backgrounds. I uploaded the packages to a site that pays you for each time someone downloads one of your files and I will be offering the texture packs for free at various 3D sites.

The uploads all have a link to my filters and a note saying that if they want to make the textures in other colors or change the designs they can by getting FF and my filters. This will of course result in people looking at other people's filters too, but that's good for all of us.
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make textures with my filters that can be used for textures on 3D models and made tubes from my filters that have the transparent backgrounds. I uploaded the packages to a site that pays you for each time someone downloads one of your files and I will be offering the texture packs for free at various 3D sites.

The uploads all have a link to my filters and a note saying that if they want to make the textures in other colors or change the designs they can by getting FF and my filters


Wow! I thought I was going all out by posting a message in the user gallery forum. My experience in graphics is very limited I don't know about most of the things you're talking about. After FF I am going to look into the 3D things you are talking about. Persidio told me what tubes were once but I didn't get it. Mostly I just know some Photoshop and Illustrator stuff. smile:)
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ronviers, email me and we can get some packages made up and uploaded for you. I have DSL so I could upload for you if you need.

I'm going to go look at your filters to see which ones would be best for textures. For the link, I give my filter albumn page so they will be able to see my other filters too and maybe they will try other ones by me.
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ron, i had a play with the guts of the original. i got that same effect of the white reflection. but, i actually like the original look (yeah, totally subjective and you knew it was going to happen smile:) ).

here's the deal... lose the profile gradient. that's what's breaking the orb at the bottom. by using the difference mode with the profile gradient, you've got the floor conflicting with the orb through the difference mode. what you need is having the floor effect on its own leg and just blending that in. if you do that, you can mod the orb any way you like and mod the background any way you like and the two will never conflict.

also, i tried the original with some non-square images. the profile gradient naturally 'breaks' those too, so there is a double reason for losing the profile gradient on this one. though, in some cases, 'breaking' the image made some cool effects smile:)

i didnt go as far as to lose the profile gradient myself, but i would think you could use a perlin noise for the 'floor'.

but, bear in mind too, that regardless of everything, that is still one cool filter! and, too many cooks spoils the pot. so, dont listen to me at all if any of this is going to break the filter smile:)
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Hey Craig, I think I got it worked out. If you haven't already go back in this thread and look at the progression of updated images I have posted. Also Steve suggested I add a switch to make the base optional - which I did. I also added a changable color background which you can also see an example of previously in this thread. Please have a look when you get a chance and see if my solution looks as good as yours - if it doesn't I want to look further into your solution. Somehow I broke my presets so I am having to redo all of them. Thanks for looking at it. smile:)
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yes, i know i posted late here re the revisions. i'll probably have a look later when it's posted. the switch idea is a good idea and the background idea. and i see others are also asking for specialized orbs/geodes. hehe, i think you have a winner on your hands smile:)
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Here is an example of the new one without the base and with the changeable background color.

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The outer orb on this one looks 2D, the rest still looks 3D. It's almost like the inner part is sitting in front of a backdrop.
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Oh I saw this in the Gallery!!!! Amazing!!!!

My fav' preset to date for this filter!

(((Break time for me... BBL)))

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I like how some are super bright and glowy while others are very low key.

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It all depends on the mage at the other end controlling it.

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The outer orb on this one looks 2D, the rest still looks 3D. It's almost like the inner part is sitting in front of a backdrop.


Are you sure you're not sleepy? smile:) J/K - I think it's a fluke of the HDRI settings.
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Are you sure you're not sleepy? Smile J/K - I think it's a fluke of the HDRI settings


These are so fascinating, Ron!

She did go lay down, so I hope she's feeling ok.
Maybe why she thinks that is because of the black background?

With your original creation the background did give it more of a dimensional look because you had some perspective to view it against. As for the requests we all have been suggesting... don't take us too seriously, like I tend to do too often, hehe. Who said too many cooks in the kitchen will spoil the stew? It was that silvery shine at the bottom of the Orb itself that looked out of place, but you fixed that real nice now smile:)

If you do make additional versions of your now-famous Orb you'll have lots of followers!

p.s. Oh, and that all black one just above... looks like a Dark Dragon's eye. I can almost see a lick of flame glinting way back in there somewhere smile;)
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ah, hadnt noticed the dragon eye aspect, foxxee. nice smile:) lots of things one could put in that inner orb to alter things a bit.
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ah, hadnt noticed the dragon eye aspect, foxxee. nice Smile lots of things one could put in that inner orb to alter things a bit.


Funny how each of us can imagine something so different from the other. Makes it for lots more fun to see what we can come up with smile:)

Oh, I just thought of another idea... in it's glowing green mist is the Wicked Witch of the North from "The Wizard of Oz"! I can just see her trying to claw her way out of it, because unlike her crystal ball, this one has her literally trapped inside of it smile:D
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and i love the top one on this page, ron. that blue glow is truly ethereal.

yup, foxxee; the eye of the beholder.

you talking about the green one with the 'alien' or just imagining a green one of your own here?
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you talking about the green one with the 'alien' or just imagining a green one of your own here?


It was just an image that came from somewhere while we were talking about them, but that green glowy one he did (not with the alien fetas in it) would make a good orb to put someone wicked like her into it smile:D

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hehe, ok. got it smile:)
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Are you sure you're not sleepy? J/K - I think it's a fluke of the HDRI settings.


It wasn't meant as an insult. Sorry if it came off as one.
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