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Lucato
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Rô, congratulations for yor new amazing Landscape texture. Really cool! For the Landscape 2 you could use Switch to make desert, farm, marte, moon, and so on by using hue/saturation and also for sky sunny, cloudy, day, night. smile;)
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byRo
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Thanks, Lucato.

Actually I was thinking of this more as a challenge to all.

I think that this could be fun, and I'd really like to see what others can come up with.

I know we won't be making a "Terragen".......well maybe, who knows?

Nice ideas, feel free to build on the filter. smile:D

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Lucato
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Actually I was thinking of this more as a challenge to all. I think that this could be fun, and I'd really like to see what others can come up with. I know we won't be making a "Terragen".......well maybe, who knows? Nice ideas, feel free to build on the filter

- Nice idea, let's play that. smile:) Thanks for allowing It. If I submit some stuff I'll let you know and give the credits for the base. smile;) Maybe I will add those I've mentioned above.
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Lucato
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Hey Rô, here goes the Landscape LR version.

In this version was included rain, sun, moon, sky and clouds colors and more land variations (See attached image).

Note: This is a variaton from Landscape by byRo who really like to see what others can come up with. As he said: "Should be fun to see how far this can go!". So, create your variation and show us right here! smile;)

Off topic: Should be byRo "who really like" or "who really likes"? Yahoo has thousand searchs in both ways. smile:cry:



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Kraellin
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lucato,

are those images from a variation you did of Ro's landscape filter and if so, would you post a copy of your filter?

nicely done, by the way smile:)

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byRo
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Hey, Lucato, nice stuff smile:). My favourite is the Red and Yellow.

Anybody else want to play?

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Lucato wrote:
Off topic: Should be byRo "who really like" or "who really likes"? Yahoo has thousand searchs in both ways.

Both are correct, because "who" can be singular or plural.
"There are many people who really like FF." (plural)
"Is there anybody who really likes FF?" (singular)

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Lucato
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are those images from a variation you did of Ro's landscape filter and if so, would you post a copy of your filter?

Yup, as I said above, I've added some controls as rain, sun, moon, sky and clouds colors and more land variations. Hey Craig, here goes the file:



LandscapeLR.ffxml
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Lucato
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Hey Rô, thanks for the tips, but just to clarify and make sure. If I use He, She, It with 'Who' as in:

'Landscape by byRo who really likes to see what others can come up with'

I use Who likes. And If it was them or you, should be like that:

'Landscape by them/you who really like to see what others can come up with'

Is that right?

Ok, lets forget it. I'll do a bigger research.

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Kraellin
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'Landscape by byRo, who really likes to see what others can come up with' = correct.

"Landscape by them, who really like to see what others can come up with." = correct.

"Landscapaes by you, who really likes to see what others can come up with." = correct, if 'you' is singular. when 'you' is plural, then 'like' would be correct.

"Landscapes by them, who really like to see what others can come up with." = correct.

"Landscapes by you, who really likes to see what others can come up with." = correct. (same exception applies here as in the third example).

and thank you for posting that filter, lucato smile:)

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Lucato
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Hey Craig, thanks for the examples. Now My English is perfect. Hehehe.

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and thank you for posting that filter, lucato

- You're welcome. It should have an offset of the sun/moon where you get to move It, rain direction and others, but I was blocked by the 10 limit.

We are waiting for your version.
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Vladimir Golovin
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byRo, Lucato -- I think you can submit these revisions (Landscape LR) as updates. I guess the updates should be submitted on behalf of byRo who is the original author.

A side note -- I would like the Filter Library to have no fixed ownership of filters (like Wikipedia) but in this case we may have conflicts over the free copy and other awards between the contributors.
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Quasimondo
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Vladimir Golovin wrote:
A side note -- I would like the Filter Library to have no fixed ownership of filters (like Wikipedia) but in this case we may have conflicts over the free copy and other awards between the contributors.


Well, there might be no fixed ownership, but still there needs to be proper credits. Otherwise at least I will think twice about sharing my stuff. I think there has to be some kind of etiquette how to deal with filters that are based in big parts on the work of others. At least in the description the original author(s) should be mentioned, ideally with a reference to the filter(s) that served as a base.
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Kraellin
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lucato,
i did look at the filter. nice additions. as for my version, it'll have to wait. i've got about 6 different filters i'm working on currently.

as to the etiquette of using someone else's filter to make your own, i agree with quasimondo. you dont want to be inhibitited in using part or all in your own, but you also want to be credited when someone uses yours. turnabout is fair play, as they say.

for really small changes, like i did with one of Ro's, i simply posted that version here in the forum. with something like lucato's re-working of the landscape filter, that's a bit more than a 'small change'. he added a lot. so, i wouldnt have any problem with lucato submitting this as 'Ro's Landscape by Lucato' or something of that nature.... unless Ro objected. hehe, it can get ugly, cant it.

none of us (the beta testers) have any legal rights to the filters we submit. we all hit that 'accept' button to the end user license agreement when we submit, so i suppose it really falls to vladimir and company as to how they want to handle this.

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Lucato
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byRo, Lucato -- I think you can submit these revisions (Landscape LR) as updates. I guess the updates should be submitted on behalf of byRo who is the original author


Hey Vlad, I'm sorry but I didn't get it very well. Should I keep the original texture name from byRo? I mean, If I kept It as 'Landscape' (the original name), would it ask me if It was an new file or update when subimitting? And wouldn't it change the original version substituting the original one? I mean, wouldn't It delete the original byRo version? In the texture description/keywords I've mentioned that It was from byRo the author. If I did something wrong, please fix that or help me to fix that. Thanks in advance.
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Lucato
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It isn't the case now, but just came an idea to my mind. Maybe in the future FF programmers would add in the preferences a checkbox like that:

Effect/Textures authoring [ X ] Do not allow editing.

So, if you save your texture/effect with that, nobody can edit, see the structure or even change the author and so on. But can use the settings tab to use the filter of course.

So, you will need to keep two versions of your texture (protect/unprotect) or it would recognize that it is your computer or to not have 2 version of the same file, would have a password to get to edit. smile:|

I need some rest. It's too late. smile:)
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byRo
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Well this has turned interesting. I see this discussion as part of the beta testing process.

In the case of this particular filter I did make it clear that it was just a base for ideas, and my congratulations to Lucato for his interpretations.
All are still welcome to play around with the idea.

We are all learning here, so it only makes sense that we share our discoveries so that others can take them further....

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If I have seen farther than others, it is because I was standing on the shoulders of giants. (Albert Einstein)


There will come a point at which the distinction between shared knowledge and copied filters gets a bit fuzzy. I see the new Community-based approval as a good move, giving some time for discussion and possible protests. Maybe there will have to be some sort of "moderating" committee to settle hassles.

For now, however, I think the "etiquette" system should work fine for our little beta-test community.

Rô
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Quasimondo
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Lucato wrote:
Effect/Textures authoring [ X ] Do not allow editing.


I don't think that will work because the ffxml file format can be edited with any text editor you can either remove that tag or copy parts of the filter to a new file.

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byRo wrote:
There will come a point at which the distinction between shared knowledge and copied filters gets a bit fuzzy.


Yes, I see it the same way. Basic techniques that we currently "discover" will be common knowledge after a while, so it's futile to have add a "circle by ...", "tiling by ..." to every filter that uses those building blocks. But I also think that the community will sort that out.
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byRo
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Some folks round here may have dabbled in FilterMeister (a C-like "language" that can be compiled to make filters). There, when developing filters, you have the choice of sharing the "source code" or the compiled filter.

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Quasimondo wrote:
I don't think that will work because the ffxml file format can be edited with any text editor

With Filter Forge we are always sharing the "source" and once a user has downloaded a filter it is completely "open".
So, by nature, all FF fiilters are open source.

Bottom line, you can make money building filters in FilterMeister; the community can work together for better filters in FF.

Rô

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