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Double Weft Weave by ronviers
http://www.filterforge.com/filters/7249.html

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Kraellin
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this one is freakin cool! nice job, ron smile:)
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Thanks Craig. smile:)

I have submitted an update that is the same in appearance and performance but has an additional style, which allows one of the strands to be reversed – checkbox labeled 'Style'.

Here is how it compares.
Pre-existing style:

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The update has posted. smile:) Please remember to refresh your browser cache and to delete your local copy of the filter if it had already been downloaded.

Newly added style:

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Kraellin
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very nice! thanks smile:)
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Kraellin
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you know, ron, i think i'm going to quit downloading your filters until at least the sixth update on each. smile:D
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i'm going to quit downloading your filters

I know. smile:( I have to stop that. It throws everyone off - plus it makes me look bad.
I already have another update for this one but it is only a slight improvement and it does not address the basic issue that I keep getting ugly numbers. I developed a system using thresholds to align the blend profile curves, so I know how to set it to where it *should* be, but when I do, it looks bad. I would rather it look good than be correct but I would really like to reconcile the differences. I'm tempted to peek and see how Constantine does it, but I'm *sure* I can work it out for myself. If it didn't look as good as it does I would pull it until I get it fixed, but for now I am just going to leave it and not post anymore updates until I nail it. Sorry to everyone for the inconvenience.
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it makes me look bad.

I don't think so.....I think it shows that you care and want to perfect your work.....and I like that quality in people..... smile:)
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Well thanks StevieJ. That's definitely putting it in the best light. smile:) I would like to be someone with the aptitude and patience to get it right the first time, but I have to work with what I have.
Don't worry Craig, I will not let this turn in to another YinYang fiasco. Actually, I feel bad about YinYang, but I learned so much from trying to make that filter that I would do it all over again. smile:-p
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Kraellin
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hehe, it's fine, ron. i love your filters. just teasin mostly due to how many updates there were with yin-yang and if ya did 20 more it wouldnt bother me, but i'd still tease ya smile;) smile:D
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just teasin mostly due to how many updates there were with yin-yang

Yeah, I really had it coming. In fact, I have requested that the yinyang filter be removed from the gallery. I will re-submit it once I have time to really nail it down.
I am going to leave this one because even after I get it fixed, it will look just about the same. I really appreciate you taking the time to provide feedback on my work. smile:)
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Kraellin
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what is it you feel still needs work on yin-yang?

and, you're welcome smile:)
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The profiles on the bevels are ugly and not controllable by the user(other than width). IMO, if the user does not get control over the bevels, then I need to provide a really pretty bevel, and gaussian just does not do it for me. smile:(
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Do you think 'Double Weft Weave' is a good name for this filter? The new style option I added, where one of the strands is reversed, does not look like two weft strands (it looks more one strand that is twice as thick) - and I would like to keep that second option. Can you think of a better name?
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I just found this on wiki:

"The warp threads run lengthways of the piece of cloth, and the weft runs across from side to side."

So I guess this would be considered a double warp weave. smile:( Either way, I would like to call it something else.
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Well thanks StevieJ

My friends call me "Steve"..... smile;) smile:D LOL.....
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I would like to be someone with the aptitude and patience to get it right the first time

I've already accepted that I will never get it right the first time..... smile;) smile:D LOL....
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I've already accepted that I will never get it right the first time

Me either, at least not in this lifetime. smile:) In fact, I only just submitted the request to have this one pulled too. When I get some time I will tie up the loose ends and re-submit it. I can even see rolling it over into the Plain Weave filter, since they are so similar.
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I've already accepted that I will never get it right the first time.

But I also know for a fact how reluctant you are for people to see your unfinished work too. Remember the project you never let me see?

Btw, how cool is this filter?

oddButFun.ffxml
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Kraellin
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i think i originally learned that as woof and warp, but i might have learned it wrong smile:) so, if you looked it up and it said 'weft', then weft it is. and i seriously doubt if i were to advise you to leave the damn thing alone, name and all, that you'd take that advice, so i'll say nothing smile:)

and i played around with your 'oddbutfun'. pretty cool smile:) i turned it into a surface type for a wee bit more complexity smile;)



oddButFun rev 1 Krae.ffxml
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i seriously doubt if i were to advise you to leave the damn thing alone, name and all, that you'd take that advice[/quote]
When I first look at it, it looks fine. But if I just stare and stare at it, then it starts looking like crap. smile:(

Wiki mentions woof as an older alternative to weft, but I had never heard that.

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'oddbutfun'. pretty cool

Something relaxing about it.

That is an unusual mod. I never thought of using kaleidoscope that way. Never really ventured into kaleidoscope at all. Too difficult to control.
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But if I just stare and stare at it, then it starts looking like crap


well, as the doctor told the guy who said 'it hurts when i do this'... quit doing that! smile:D

yes, kaleids tend to be shunned a bit around here. lol. and i think i'd change the way i did that one, if i were doing it again. but, i did like the idea of adding depth by making that a surface type. it's got a bit of an engineering feel to it on some of those presets or maybe of those 'connext' building blocks.
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i had to have another play. i cleaned this one up a bit (as opposed to my last one) and changed things around quite a bit. i didnt add back any controls, as i have to go to work now, but i like having found the stars bit smile:)

oddButFun rev 1b Krae.ffxml
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Cool. smile:) I like the idea of adding stars to it but it is difficult to control them.
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Kraellin
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yep. they are in pretty much a fixed position, along with the little dot things. still, it was kinda cool finding them smile:)

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Here is one with a little more depth.

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I just changed the blend to darken.

oddButFun rev 1b Krae b.ffxml
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Kraellin
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good change! that shows it up better smile:)
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I am working on a very interesting modeling project right now but I would like to come back to it when I get some time. I have tried to get a winner in the pattern category but both of my previous tries went LU. smile:|
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pattern types seem to be one of the hardest to get HU's in. i got one or two, but that was when there werent 6000+ filters, too. it can be done, though. just find a pattern that is highly recognizable, like my childreen's wallpaper one was. i think that may be the key; something folks can recognize and have some familiarity with.
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Are either of you still using CRT monitors?
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How many of the blacks can you make out?

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If I drag the step wedge to my CRT I can only see eleven. I can see all fifteen on the LCD.
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i have a crt on my win 98 machine, but my crt on the xp machine just burned out and i now have a 22 inch lcd. and yes, i can see all of those marks. the lcd came with a calibration chart.
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How many ff users do you think still use the CRT? Could you have made out all the marks on your CRT?
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i've no idea how many have crt's, but i do know they are very cheap, for a larger size and very nice picture with more internal tweaks. i was pleasantly surprised.

as for the marks on my crt, mostly, yes, though admitedly those ones on the far right and left were pretty tough to be sure i was really seeing any diff. that's another thing that impressed me on the lcd; i had no problem making them out on that.
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I think there is a tendency for people to operate their LCD monitors too bright. They come from the factory set very bright and I am not sure most people turn them down.
I guess I should make my presets with the assumption that they will be viewed on a correctly configured LCD, but I am not sure that is valid. smile:?:
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I just noticed that there are sixteen steps but I did not notice white.
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lcd's are a bit of a problem in their display being that the angle one views them at is so critical to a proper display. that was one of the reasons i was so hesitant in buying one. the quality has gotten better, but i have to be somewhat careful how i angle my monitor when working or i end up being off a bit. still, i doubt i'll go back to a crt; the extra dynamic range is worth it and the size per dollar cost is quite a bit nicer than crt's. plus, retailers just arent carrying crt's any more around here. cant even find one.

i dont know about too bright. mine did seem bright at first, but on doing the software calibration, it seems fine now. 16 huh. hmm, so it would seem smile:)
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I have one of the cheapest LCDs on the market, an LG 1440x900. It does ok when viewed straight on, and even handles some right to left shifting, but if I raise or lower my head even a few inches then the picture quality nosedives - it acts as a reminder to keep my back straight.
One of the things I like best about it is its weight. It replaced a CRT that must have weighed 30+ lbs.
I'm not going back to CRT either but I hope the LCD's will someday have better blacks and saturation.
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yes, the weight is much less. i like that also. i wasnt real keen on the 16:9 widescreen format, at first, but i'm used to it and even enjoy it now.

i've also noticed the blacks problem. sometimes my blacks look a bit green, though for the most part, that only seems to occur when i'm viewing a lot of text and even then i'm not sure if it's not eye strain smile:)

the one thing i have noticed that is a bit disturbing, is that my crt seemed to do better matching up to my printer colors. i think this is one of those things about the brightness you mentioned with lcd's. now, i expect my prints to be a bit darker than the monitor representations. that's just normal, but it's a bigger disparity now with the lcd and even shows a bit of hue differentiation, which i never had with the crt and this printer. the hues comes out generally a darker shade. so, if i had a bright green-yellow on my monitor, the print might come out a green-green and a darker shade. it's not by much and the text here makes it seem more exaggerated than it really is. it's really not far off, but where i was REALLY pleased with this printer before, the lcd seems to not match up as well. ah well, maybe it's time to get a hardware calibrater and start using photoshop's gamut feature more.
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maybe it's time to get a hardware calibrater and start using photoshop's gamut feature


I am not even close to spending money on that. I have a million other things I need to worry about. Some of the most disheartening questions I see on the forums are from experienced professionals that cannot get their color loop closed. So I am not going to waste my time trying. I adjust the gamma of the individual colors so that my grays stay neutral across the spectrum of black to white, and I set the black level, then call it good enough.

This is a bad time for color management - guess it has been for a long time. The one company that could fix it, microsoft, seems disinterested. I was hoping that Vista would provide a path for everyone, but they seem incapable of using their dominance in constructive ways. It may have to come from a company like Apple or Canon - but even if they started now, it would take them years to get something pushed through the system. I guess we are a long way from it being easy. smile:(
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It sure is taking ff a long time to remove this and my YinYang filters. I notice they appear not to be processing new filters either, maybe it's related.
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What does this remind you of? Think it could be anything? smile:|

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Definitely OCD placed pebbles. smile:)
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Violets are #0000FF
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LOL smile:D
I never would have thought of that, but you're right - OCD placed and collected.

and then there is this look:

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