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StevieJ
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stumbled accross this effect and immediately thought of jffe's separation and threshold work.....thus the dedication smile:)

Still in progress....but here's a sample of what I have so far......

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OH very nice!!!

Me like!! smile:D smile:D smile:D
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StevieJ
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Thank you, Jean, glad you like it smile:) .....and thanx for spread'in the "love".....you're the best!!! smile:)
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jffe
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All the *gapping* that refraction does has been bugging me lately, and I had a simple idea to *tighten* up some of those glass-look filters. I should have an example or 2 up later or tomorrow. smile;)

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That was quick, it works sorta, and no noise components were used.

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CFandM
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Jffe you could almost do a "Low Quality" Movie filter with that one.. smile:)
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StevieJ
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jffe, looks like you used tiles and noise distortion..... Nice depth too smile:)
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It's coming along. I have pretty good control of the amount of detail/fracturing in a way now, and 2 settings for my gap-undoing technique. It's somewhat slow rendering considering the max refraction setting is 1, and there's only one blur with a max of 1 (and it's only feeding into a source), and 2 noise distortions with 0 for detail/roughness. Not sure what's up with that, but maybe I can find a way to speed it up soon, but meanwhile, it's a good enough proof of concept as it is.

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StevieJ wrote:
jffe, looks like you used tiles and noise distortion..... Nice depth too


----Yeah, I hate all those techno/stone pseudo-random shapes, they all look the same everytime, rather make my own.

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StevieJ
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Yeah, I hate all those techno/stone pseudo-random shapes, they all look the same everytime, rather make my own.

.....so I guess you're not a big fan of my recent filters smile:D LOL....
Steve

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MysticBlueRaven
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Cool looking glass filter Steve smile:)
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LOL..... Well, the first pic is from mine, but the rest are from jffe's filter....he muscled me out of this string smile:D LOL..... smile:)
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.....so I guess you're not a big fan of my recent filters LOL....


----You already know I think you should make 1 or 2 filters based on a given look, instead of 20, but we just work differently. Most of my comments on people's filters come strictly from the presets, and sometimes by looking at the names they give the controls (since most people don't even rename them), I download about 1 in 100, and usually am either 1) so blown away I have to erase it so I don't peek inside, or 2) hit random a few times, get garbage, and realize the 2 presets that didn't suck were probably accidental. So yeah, I'm so picky, I'd probably only download 3 or 4 of my own filters, and maybe keep 1 or 2 of them ha-ha. smile:D
----Ironically enough, in and of itself anyways, I have made a cracked/segmented glass filter that is "too clean" now. Perhaps some *gap* is necessary to really visually suggest that the glass is cracked. Back to digital drawing board I guess.

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LOL..... Well, the first pic is from mine, but the rest are from jffe's filter....he muscled me out of this string Big grin LOL..... Smile

It the first one I love the best smile:)
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StevieJ
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jffe wrote:
I hate all those techno/stone pseudo-random shapes, they all look the same everytime

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You already know I think you should make 1 or 2 filters based on a given look, instead of 20

LOL.... Wow, this is what I get in return for my tribute filter??? smile:D LOL..... Is there anything you do like about my work??? smile;) smile:D LOL....

Okay, here goes......I break alot of my filters up because (1) I don't want them all on unidentified switches without an efficient way to zero in on effects without lockable controls in randomization, (2) I want a small amount of easy to use controls, (3) different effects in their own filter makes it much easier for the user to find it, (4) harder, more time consuming, and can be a waste of time if the user has to guess that an effect is burried in a multi-effect control-laiden filter, (5) user usually bases their decision on the lead preset and likely to skip over it if they don't immediately see the desired effect on it, etc ect ect etc..... smile;) smile:)

That's just my opinion and reasons for doing things the way that I do smile;) smile:D

Anywho, don't read this the wrong way.....no offense taken..... smile:) smile:) smile:)
Steve

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LOL.... Wow, this is what I get in return for my tribute filter???


----Oh, I'm flattered of course, and it's not like I'm saying anything I haven't said before, (ie = I'm not trying to attack you because I'm just sooo pissed that yer making another glass filter and blaming me for it, even I'm not quite that rude and cynical just yet ha-ha). I understand why you make a bunch of seperate filters instead of one with switches and more controls, I just still don't agree with that way of working. I could argue all day, and it would't change your mind, and it wouldn't matter because it's just my opinion on an open-ended and more or less harmless subject anyways ha-ha. I just know from my own experience, that I don't want 500 of anything, I want a small handful that cover my needs. So yeah, no worries, carry on, same old same old with me, I just say what I say, you know I roll ha-ha. smile;)

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Hi jffe~ smile:D

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I understand why you make a bunch of seperate filters instead of one with switches and more controls, I just still don't agree with that way of working.


Steve has switches and controls he just likes making glass. And I love using his glass, LOL. When I have the time to make graphics that is. Filter making takes up most my computer time nowadays.

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I just know from my own experience, that I don't want 500 of anything, I want a small handful that cover my needs.


I started to laugh when I read this and then wasn't sure if you were joking or not. The part where you say you want a small handfull to fill your needs-------------> You have made 78 filters. Define small handful... smile:D smile:D LOL You guys crack me up sometimes.

So are you saying that out of the 78 filters 75 are no use to you? hehe Okay I'm chuckling up a storm on this end.

Also sometimes the amount the filter maker uses of their own work depends on if they make graphics or not-----------> very hard to have time to make graphics when working on making filters. It's a juggle. But I do need a lot of filters although I still have less then you do... hehe smile:D smile:D smile:D

Everything said here is said with the best of intent and light hearted~ smile:)

And come to think of it Steve has less filters then you do too, doesn't he?

smile:D smile:D smile:D Sorry but this was so funny I couldn't help but mention. LOL

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Persidio wrote:
You have made 78 filters. Define small handful... LOL You guys crack me up sometimes.


----Of those 78 filters, how many are listed in each category ? How many would a random person off the street confuse as being identical when looking at what they do to the life preserver, or in general ?


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So are you saying that out of the 78 filters 75 are no use to you? hehe Okay I'm chuckling up a storm on this end.


----I would have to say all 78 or whatever of them are "no use" to me. I'm not a graphic artist, I don't get paid to run pictures through filters or put a frame around a picture and slap a Nike swoosh on it, and I sure ain't sitting around doing that crap for free.

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Hi jffe~ smile:)

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----Of those 78 filters, how many are listed in each category ?


I don't know they are 'your' filters, so you'd have to tell me.

LOL

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How many would a random person off the street confuse as being identical when looking at what they do to the life preserver, or in general ?


smile:D I don't know ... they are your filters,,, have you asked a random person on the street yet? hehe

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----I would have to say all 78 or whatever of them are "no use" to me.


That's okay we'll help you on your sales technique~ smile:D LOL

I like your filters, just keep doing what you are doing~

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I'm not a graphic artist,


I kinda figured that. smile:) Your a filter artist.

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and I sure ain't sitting around doing that crap for free.


Making graphics is as addictive as making filters for those of us that do. Hard to explain unless you've been biten by the bug so to speak. Very similar to filter making addiction.

It's been fun chatting~ I gotta run and work on a filter but I'll be back tomorrow ((It's 2:38 a.m. over here.))

Nite


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I kinda figured that. Your a filter artist.


----I don't like the term artist for a number of reasons. Probably the 2 main ones are, because they rarely get paid sh*t for the time spent, and because so many wanna-be do-nothing types wave that flag around and hide under the term "artist". I have yet to meet someone who calls themselves an "artist" who did anything really worth mentioning, or made any real livable amount of money doing it. But like you mentioned above, it's all about salesmanship in the end.
----I think you missed my point about the number of filters I've made, and how not-alike they are, which is what my comments you originally quoted from were about.
----All that said, I find plenty of time to make graphics, all ya havta do is hit *render* once in a while when making filters. Lots of stuff gets scrapped, or filed away, I've easily made 1,000 filters, just not all get finished or released. If Nike ever needs somewhere to park a swoosh, or if there's a Matrix IV, or they come up with a new formula for Gatorade, and need some flashy background rubbish for their logo, have'em call me, I'm as ready as any over-paid graphic "artist".

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MeKenzie
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Nice filter! Last image is so nice smile:D

And on so called artist, it's pretty demanding out there to be a good artist. You must know about color scheme, typography, perspective, techniques, pyschology (especially for commerical art... you want people to notice the product and buy it...), composition, and have a lot of creativity. Also you must set yourself unique from everybody else to be more impressed. Oh yeah! You also must have a good portfolio. It beats anything even education with degree.

I had a job as modeller and animator artist and I did get paid $15 per hour. The things I mentioned earlier above is what I had to do to get that job. Sure, I'm not rich, but it was a good start for me to get more art experiences so I can get even better job later on. smile:)

Keep it up!
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StevieJ
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jffe smile:) That's one hell of a neat pick you posted!!! You're an artist wether you like it or not smile;) smile:D LOL.....

I rather enjoy point-counterpoint with you, Jean, Craig, and others.....because it gets me to consider things more objectively from other points of view beyond my own.....and adds thought and character to discussions beyond the everyday sterile "hey, nice filter" routine.....not that I don't like it when someone says "hey, nice filter" to me smile;) smile:) lol....

I've seen people get offended just by misinterpretting what others type here.....which probably wouldn't happen if they were face to face.....seeing each other's facial expressions, inflections, and tone of voice. For example, I've seen Carl get misinterpretted from his style of type a few times. I've talked with him via voice clips on messenger and found that he is just one hell of a nice guy that would never intend to offend a fly by anything he says.....
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I've easily made 1,000 filters, just not all get finished or released

+2 easily that if not more.....I'm always having to clean them out from "My Filters" and put them in folders outside the FF program.....I've found that letting them pile up inside of FF noticably slows down the program.....

"Jean Jean the Filter Making Queen".... smile:)...."Defender of StevieJ Filters".... smile:) You have been awarded the StevieJ Purple Heart for your unwielding FF Forum Valor and Courage smile:D smile:D smile:D LOL.... smile:)
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Last image is so nice

If you like that one, then you'll probably like this one too.....from jffe's "Metal Melt" filter.....

Steve

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smile:D smile:D Let's recap a few of jffe's statements shall we? smile:devil:

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----All that said, I find plenty of time to make graphics, all ya havta do is hit *render* once in a while when making filters.


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I'm not a graphic artist,
(makes the above quote make more sense as everyone who has spent over a week making a single graphic or put alot of inteligent design in their image can get a chuckle from this 'one click approach'.) smile:D LOL Hey one click is okay and technically it is a graphic----> not what some of us do but hey whatever works... I can chill with that.

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jffe wrote:
I've easily made 1,000 filters, just not all get finished or released


and contradicts his other statement:

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I just know from my own experience, that I don't want 500 of anything, I want a small handful that cover my needs.


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----I think you missed my point about the number of filters I've made, and how not-alike they are, which is what my comments you originally quoted from were about.


Oh no... I didn't miss your point... but my point being I don't know about that because they are 'your' filters. I havn't nor do I have the time to go in and check how many categories you have. You are asking us to take your word for it... I don't know I havn't checked nor will I. I don't go around counting other filter artists categorys for their filters. LOL That's your thing...

To Steve~ smile:D

LOL You are hillarious~ Love it~

What's going on is too transparent really~ jffe saw the filter was getting alot of attention and not just this one but 'all' your glass filters. He gets jealous and tries to knock the fitler down a few pegs and seeks attention. I gave him attention got a good chuckle and now I have fitlers to make. My time now that summer is offically here is limited because my little one wants my PC for her games.

Also add that jffe starts to post at 1:16 a.m. in the morning and continues to post on this topic till after 2:30 a.m. may or may not indicate alcohol consumption due to the many contradicitons his posting contains. smile:D smile:D smile:D Not so much the time of the postings but the combination of the time the postings were made and the contradictions and outlandish assumptions made in the posts could make one come to that conclusion. Of which I have conlcuded.

I wish I had more time to post more of his statements but honestly I have to give my computer to my little one for her games now and I won't get it back for a few hours. And when I do have my PC back I'm going to make filters or comment on the wonderful art made by the fitler artists here at FF.

Thank you jffe for the lighthearted fun smile:) We simply do not agree and are at an impasse (typically in real life I never argue with anyone who's been drinking) smile:D . (((Steve makes great filters and you are soooo jealous, hehe, LOL)))

And he's propably going to make more glass too so best just to get used to it I guess. Hope you are okay jffe ... because I had a great time posting with you as always-----------> use my email if you have something negative to say <---------

Hugs to all

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MeKenzie wrote:
Nice filter! Last image is so nice


----Thanks, something a little more colorful (the orange & white is so tired looking ha-ha) I was working on yesterday since the glass filter stuff was boring me senseless after fighting with it for a few days.

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pyschology (especially for commerical art... you want people to notice the product and buy it...)


----The term "commercial art", much like, "graphic artist", is an oxymoron to me, how about "graphic salesperson" ? Seems more depressingly accurate. Whatever happened to taking some pride in good craftsmanship, since there's probably 100,000 craftsmen/craftswomen for every artist who blips on the radar and/or gets paid a living wage.

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jffe wrote: I'm not a graphic artist,


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Persidio wrote:
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(makes the above quote make more sense as everyone who has spent over a week making a single graphic or put alot of inteligent design in their image can get a chuckle from this 'one click approach'.) LOL Hey one click is okay and technically it is a graphic----> not what some of us do but hey whatever works... I can chill with that.


----As if running a picture through a simplistic frame filter, or putting 80's looking shadowed text on a filter that looks like $0.99 store disposable tableclothes wasn't ye olde "one click approach". Or wait, is it "art" if you run the picture through 2 different filters and then fade one at 25% with the Hard Light blend ?

----As for the rest of your ranting, sadly enough, you guessed wrong, I was sober last night, just watching some goofy Mythbusters dvd extra, and hitting refresh on the FF forums page a few times in between. I really don't care to go point to point on the rest of it, you can have the psych 101, I'm sure it works really well for ya in real life etc.

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I rather enjoy point-counterpoint with you, Jean, Craig, and others.....because it gets me to consider things more objectively from other points of view beyond my own.....and adds thought and character to discussions beyond the everyday sterile "hey, nice filter" routine.....not that I don't like it when someone says "hey, nice filter" to me


----Sounds like Stevie has a pretty good attitude about just taking what people say at face value and not tripping out about it. If I went around shaking babies and kissing hands (or however that goes in polite society), I'd be president by now (or at least mentally & emotionally anesthetized enough for middle management eh), and I wouldn't be posting on some computer program forum, so meanwhile, might as well say something worth having said, or crack a good joke at least. Meanwhile, I'm turning the glass filters back over to you Stevie, have at it, if nothing else, maybe me not posting anymore glass type filters will help avoid any more long tedious threads like this one, we can only hope.

----Anyways, I'ma go burn some chicken in the backyard, and take persid's advice and hav a drink or 7, maybe I'll come back and post later, I'm sure it'll all make sense then.

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----As if running a picture through a simplistic frame filter, or putting 80's looking shadowed text on a filter that looks like $0.99 store disposable tableclothes wasn't ye olde "one click approach". Or wait, is it "art" if you run the picture through 2 different filters and then fade one at 25% with the Hard Light blend ?


Apparently that's all you think graphics art entails I've been in this world for 44 years now and ingornance is something you get used to after awhile. So it's all good whatever you think that floats your boats, LOL.

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----As for the rest of your ranting, sadly enough, you guessed wrong,


LOL. Ranting? Oh my dear boy that as not a rant... more of a laugh. Just laughing over here not ranting. You'll know when I rant I promise. smile:-p LOL.

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you can have the psych 101, I'm sure it works really well for ya in real life etc.


LOL My life is fine ... how is yours? LOL I am buying my own house .... do you still live with your parents? ROFL And I have a child I had later in life and have a wonderful marriage. You married yet? Life is good thank you very much. A beautiful child, great husband, computer with graphics, 62 HD with surround sound and XBox 360 loaded with games that are even more of a hoot then you... hehe LOL

A big yard, pets, two novels in the works... life in all it's glory at 44 and I'm happy as a bug in a rug~ smile:D smile:D And I am making filters------> newest fun.

If you want to compare lives----> yep yep anytime smile:D hehe Since 'you' brought it up.

And as a stay at home Mom I don't have to work outside the home anymore if I don't want. I can write novels, make art----> life is good. You maybe should not have opened that door but you did. Maybe should have taken my advice and taken it to email if you didn't have anything pleasent to say. LOL

Okay I'm laughing and having way too much fun. Heading out to let my child ride her bike.

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----Sounds like Stevie has a pretty good attitude about just taking what people say at face value and not tripping out about it.


LOL jffe~ not tripping out about it~ smile:D But you can't say something ignorant or outlandish and not expect me to have a laugh or two, sheeze. (((Shrugs))) Just laughing jffe. Most times you only have something negative to say because you can't see thru your own jealousy. We can just stay away from each others posts and filters,,, you don't use filters anyway and I'll just delete any filters I have of yours and won't use them. ((((ROFL))) smile:D smile:D smile:D

hahah

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StevieJ
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So, do you think the Sox will take the Pennant this year??? smile;) smile:D smile:) LOL...
Steve

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LOL

smile:D smile:D You could make a filter shaped like a trophy~ smile:D

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StevieJ wrote:
So, do you think the Sox will take the Pennant this year??? LOL...
Steve


----Like I said, Stevie has the right attitude. As far as the rest of my thoughts, better left unsaid, no really, let's let what pers said hang in the air forever.

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