The Monster

Uni-filter, monsters, little monsters, beasts - set them free I plead with you " born free as free as the wind blows born free........" ........ Carl [ can't wait ]

lol. i've lost track. it'll probably all boil down to one filter in the end. still working on it.

ok, had to work out a new routine for cleaner extractions. am now using a double alpha set and it means less cleanup in psp/ps. this is what was taking me so long.

the next conundrum of sorts is that i want multiple effects for this beast. i can create any number of these, but why re-invent the wheel when we've got such a great array of organics that work perfectly in this thing. but, that means importing all those into my filter and then trying to sort through what controls to leave or remove. conceivably, i could add an infinite number of other filters to this thing and have a control set a mile long, but i doubt anyone but the most neurotic would care to figure all that out (like me).

i could also just strip it to the bones with just one default preset and instructions for the user to add his own filters and how and where to plug it in. it really is plug n play. just import your filter into mine and plug your output you had going to the 'source' on the 'results' component and that's it, instant new filter. that has a certain appeal also, but seems too limited to me. and i have my doubts as to how many might actually do that.

the next possible solution is a hybrid. import a bunch of other's organic filters, strip out their controls and simply double the controls up so that one control goes to a lot of different imports. this is what i'll probably end up doing or a combination of my own effects plus some imports and simply rearrange all the controls.

anyways, here's a pic using the filter with 'alien armor' plugged into it.

I think this filter and thread for you Kraellin is like my 3d one...Still looks great but not quite there...

The one with the "Alien Armor" kinda looks like she visited a real inexpensive plastic surgeon...Hope she can get her money back..

ok, somewhat back on track...

but it's looking more and more like i'll have to bust this one up into a series...

ever feel like you're chasing windmills? between the anaglyphs and this one, that's how i feel

actually, i dont think i am going to get it. without a true masking ability, i can come close but it will always require post-work. i even tried the reverse extraction in combination with the normal one. images just vary too much and have too much of the same color/hue/shade that you want to keep as you want to remove.

so, as of now, i've ending the attempt to extract precisely and will probably just make a series of these beasts based on plugging in what i have with some of the existing organics. i'll just include the caveat that 'post-work will be necessary on images produced'.

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Kraellin wrote: actually, i dont think i am going to get it.

I didn't hear that!!! LOL..... I may have a little something that may change your mind about that....but I'm currently on a mission from God to finish all my glass filters before I can allow myself to get back to it....

Humble suggestion for alternate versions Set to deliberately select less area and multiple "patchy" areas.....focus on the "seemlessness" of the effect with image.....then rely on randomization to find a desired "arrangement" of the effect on the image. You might be surprised at the artistic value.....and still be very viable for gamer apps.....

Kinda like catching the transformation from human to alien half way through the transformation process.....you know what I mean??? If the blends look realistic (seemless form-fit and blend), then the preciseness of the selecter will no longer matter.....and you will want it as random and as screwed up as possible......

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Kraellin wrote: the trouble is, if you've got black in the background, for instance, and black in the part you want to transform, you're pretty well screwed

I would suggest just an invert option and let "randomization" go through it.....who knows, someone may want to use it that way, eh?

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Kraellin wrote: i also dont want a 'half way through' look. i want the full-blown organic like that picture of the woman with the raised skin, the one you liked so much.

Yeah, I know what you mean.....that one is awesome!!!

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Kraellin wrote: i suppose i could make it a selection filter, one that requires a selection in your graphic editor and do it that way, but again, that's a bit of a compromise and instead of post-work it would be pre-work. and then, i'm not sure you wouldnt be able to just do the whole thing with the original organic and layers, masks and selections in psp/ps.

Good idea!!! I personally think that your "selection" portion is quite clever.....and worth building on.....

I'm not going to give up on any of this.....because it is just too good!!!

PS.....know what you are saying in regard to "why" when PS and PSP can do selection for you.....just would be much easier, more efficient, and make for a more "complete" filter. I believe that FF has plans for the masking.....so maybe???

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Kraellin wrote: i'd feel pretty silly and even guilty taking someone's filter, adding my little bit and submitting it as a new filter when i could just as easily take their filter, run it through psp/ps and do the exact same effect. so, that's what i'm going to be looking at in the near future with this.

I hear ya You are probably right with it all boiling down to the uniqueness of the alternate selection.....which I think makes the filter creative and artistic from the original....

Another way to look at it is that FF is specifically designed for users to improve upon existing works.....

I do feel the same way about it.....I don't want to enfringe closely upon anyone else's work.....and to the contrary, I have felt it complimentary when you have modified my filters.....as though you felt that they were worthy of further attention and expanding their potential....

The big difference is that you come right out and say something about it.....and see if any offense would be taken first.....

The only thing I don't like to see here is when you submit a filter.....and the very next day someone submits something similar.....like an underhanded capitalization upon your ideas. I wouldn't mind it at all if they just came out and said something first.....because by not saying anything, it kinda says "screw you.....I'm going to capitalize upon your idea whether you like it or not"....

I'm following an unspoken intellectual property principle.....but that doesn't mean everyone else is going to do it

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StevieJ wrote: Quote Kraellin wrote: i'd feel pretty silly and even guilty taking someone's filter, adding my little bit and submitting it as a new filter when i could just as easily take their filter, run it through psp/ps and do the exact same effect. so, that's what i'm going to be looking at in the near future with this. I hear ya Smile You are probably right with it all boiling down to the uniqueness of the alternate selection.....which I think makes the filter creative and artistic from the original....

Yea, I agree..I know there are a couple that I have that are similar in nature in the Lib already so I did not submit them because they are close..Its just one of those things that I got into making and boom someone else came up with the idea and posted before me...Dang...

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Kraellin wrote: ever feel like you're chasing windmills? between the anaglyphs and this one, that's how i feel Hammer

Yep..But between the anaglyphs and the fake fractals I started to get into..

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Kraellin wrote: it's not a matter of someone beat me to the punch. in fact, i rely on them beating me to the punch because i then rip off their filter and pack in inside my own

LMAO..... Honesty, ya gotta love it!!! LMAO.....

Hehehe..... That was a good one No pussy-footing around.....and just tell it like it is LOL....

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Kraellin wrote: we live on the shoulders of giants. so if yer not a giant yourself, you gotta equalize the playing field

eloquently stated.....so in other words, we need to lie, cheat, and steal LOL....

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Kraellin wrote: i try to always give credit

You are certainly the best about that

Do you realize that this string goes on for five pages about an alleged filter that has never been seen??? ..... ..... Hmmmmmm.....maybe it should be called the "Yetti" J/K LMAO........

I know you serve no wine before it's time

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Kraellin wrote: all monsters are shy. didnt you know that?

Yours is a hermit cave dweller LOL....

Tell me truth is the monster dead ......... Carl

it's awake!

It's ALIVE!!!!! .......... LOL....

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Kraellin wrote: i've currently incorporated 4 separate filters with this beast so far, and i've got room for more now

That's what I would do.....build a plethora of filters incorporating the "Beast" with the best FF effects before releasing them all.....

I look forward to trying the whole family of "Monsters" out!!! LOL....

Hehehe.... sounds like you are going to add instructions on how to "bastardize" it in the filter description.....which I'm sure will be done once people catch on to it

Muahahahaha!!!! it's alive! IT'S ALIVE!!!

hehehe, that's the beauty of the new beast...it's .... oh no! it's here! it's coming! i've gotta go!