3D Slab-Glass Art....

Hi everyone, I guess that I'm finally in the right area to post pics for opinions I wanted to get some feedback on my "StevieJ's GlassWorxExtreme" filter. Below are some test image pics....

I want to merge this concept with my 'AbstractWorx' and fading algorithmic patterns for deep 3D effects.....so I need a "Vulcan Mind Meld' with CFandM

Kreallin, you might like some of the lighting....

Yeah, I already have something like that in progress.....glass cubes, refractive lenses....and a really neat one where the glass blows out in motion towards the edges.....

Man, so many ideas....my head is going to explode I'm having way too much fun with this....

that took about 25 minutes to render as a lighting environment. i could have cut that time by making the source image smaller, but i used a 400 x 400 of your original image.

PS.....now you really have me thinking about custom lighting environments

and yeah, i'd go digital too if i could. i have a Canon F1 that i bought back in the 70's. a number of good lenses but there's no adapter for the new digital bodies

Is there anyway that I can get a closer look at your rose pic to see the final result better? send it via email or something?

Bummer on the adapter.... Are they making all the new digital cameras proprietary so you have to buy 'their' lenses for it?

stevie,

i'd offer to send you the files, but these are so easy to make that you could probably do it easier yourself and get the benefit of being able to tailor it exactly how you want. there is another thread here on the forums...somewhere, where i and others, explain exactly how to do it.

briefly, you want a small .jpg image, like 200 x 400, 300 x 300, and so on. i wouldnt go for anything larger than about 400 x 400 or you'll be waiting for the thing to render next january.

go into windows explorer and change your .jpg extension to .exr. just that, dont change anything else, just the extension type.

when you open FF, go to 'import hdri' and you'll get a new window with a browse function. browse to your now altered file and click on it.

in the next field in that window, type in a name that you want to see displayed in your lighting environments and hit ok.

go take a walk or get some coffee or whatever. it's going to take a while to render. a 200 x 200 takes about 5 or 6 minutes on my rig. a 400 x 400 will take 25 minutes or more.

my rainbow one was a simple image i made in paint shop pro. if i remember correctly, i just painted a gradient on a small, all white, new image. saved it as a .jpg and did the above mentioned process. or maybe it was just a number of colored bars. i forget.

but the simplicity of this is that you can experiment with little risk or cost. you'll also want to note how the environments function within FF. they only scroll horizontally, so you'll want to make your base images accordingly. my first rainbow i made the bars horizontal and it was nearly worthless because the bars aligned the same way as the scrolling of the environment thing. you also want (usually) varied lighting withing the base image. i have one that is mostly white and it just doesnt work as well.

if you look at the default environs, you'll notice there's a pretty good range of lights and darks within each. it's this contrast that tends to make good lighting environs.

i actually dont quite understand fully how the environs are doing their thing. and, i'm a little surprised they are spherical. i would have thought squares would have worked better. and i dont quite understand the internal rules of application of an environ. one color within an environ often seems to be applied across the whole image it's working on, and other colors and lighting seems to not be, and that doesnt make complete sense to me either. so, i'm still working on figuring it out as well.

you're welcome

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excellent no reason to re-invent the wheel, aye?

well, good

if you make one that you like and think looks cool, post a screenshot of it.

Hey Kraellin That's what I'm going to do from now on. The feedback is more than helpful!!! I know that I can count on you to give me an honest opinion and send me into the depths of depression LOL

Hi Torley You can shift Hue to get some pink, but not all pink....Okay, I'll work on that one

LOL Fair enough....

I did not expect that lighting effect either. It was an unexpected (but welcome) bi-product of growing the saturation map in small increments, layering all of them together, and then bluring them to acheive that continuous color effect.....

One of my next little projects (one of many) is to learn how to control it and place multiples.....

I consider it a compliment that you want to use them

stevie,

i thought we were already collaborating no need for special agreements and such. just post your stuff and say 'here ya go'.

but yes, i am interested in getting some 3d stuff into that filter. i have one version of adding one of CF's 3d filters to my own. but, it didnt really look very good. we'll have to tap CF a bit more on this. and, as i said a while back...somewhere... i do like the thick glass look of your filter and am working on another filter where that may be helpful. not sure it would work for the kaleidoscopic profile (kp) one, but maybe. the kp one was supposed to be about abstract architecture and mostly black and white, but the color shift filter worked so well in it that i left it in for just abstract designs.

the one i'm working on now is about abstract glass designs. i'm still working out the refraction and some other things, but it's coming along and may well lend itself better to your filter... if i can get some of the rest of this worked out first. at some point i'll probably post the thing for help, since this is more complex than the kp one and i'm trying to sort the 'glass' from the rest of the image.

basically, i hate to commit to a formal 'collaboration' as that tends to tie me down to something which i may or may not be able to devote to or finish. i'm too scatter-brained for much of that ideas come and i'll push on them for a bit and then set them aside and take them back up months later. it's a discipline thing which i have to work on all the time.

but any time you want to take any of my filters and do something with them, feel free. and by all means post something up on it and i'll more than likely comment or even jump in and do something with it also.

and tap CF for more of his anaglyph stuff. i would love to set some of my filters to 3d. i could really wow some folks with a bit more of that

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Oh no, nothing formal....just an idea to approach from both sides in our spare time....

ok, good. in that case, we're already collaborating

and yes, i'm more and more looking at breaking out of the 2d box. CF's anaglyph stuff fascinates me. at some point, i hope to begin delving into that as well.

hehehe, yes, most all of us are crawling compared to CF

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Kraellin wrote: hehehe, yes, most all of us are crawling compared to CF

and this is the same, only i added a little fracturing slider.

StevieJuds GlassWorxExtreme rev 1b.ffxml

Cool variation kinda like an etched texture....

I've been working on variations of it too, but the saturation layering is making for a really slow render with this filter. There must be a way to make this faster....

I wanted to ask you if you knew how to get a filter to select the predominant neutral color....so I can change it. I'm asking because I've developed a filter that turns everything into 3D glass objects on a neutral tan/brown background....and I want the background to be black (see pic below)....

I also want to raise and "puff out" the 3D glass volume....

This is the one that I was thinking to apply to your filters....and I think that it would look unbelievable....

Here's what I have so far....

hehe, you didnt let the anti-aliasing run there, steve.

also, notice on that first one (or even the 2nd) how i trimmed the filter and left the entire effect intact. you had quite a redundancy in there.

well, the key to depth is contrast, light and dark. even in CF's anaglyphs if you give things more contrast tween light and dark you get more depth in the 3d. try adding a levels component in there somewhere.

there is no 'color picker' currently, steve. i think it's on the list, though. and this is a whole question i have too, how do you direct one given color to one given shade in a black and white. in the kaleidoscope profile filter, i used CF's color shift filter, the 5 color gradient part and just let position determine it, but that's pretty random as far as getting one exact shade to have one exact color or one range of shades to have one range of hues.

you can isolate one shade or range of shades with the threshold component, then follow that with a set alpha to isolate that one shade and then color it, but you'd almost have to do that 256 times to really get a good color picker. or maybe the channel components could be used in some fashion. i'm a little surprised there arent 'extract cmyk' and 'assemble cmyk' components.

a hue mapper would also help. one could then map depth by hue. not sure how that would work, though.

there were some other requests for wish list items that might help if implemented. i recall a request for regional mapping which could be used depending on how it was implemented. or maybe a luminance region mapper would work. not sure.

and when you say turning them into realistic 3d, do you mean with the anaglyph stuff or just giving them more 2d depth?

well, if i remember correctly, the CF filter you're talking about gives great results on black and white and just so-so (at the moment) with color images. so, on your wonderfully colorful glass images, i'm guessing it may not do that great. try the one that CF posted with the name ending in '1c2'. i think that one works fairly well for color.