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Kraellin
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been working on this. it's a bit tricky. i had to look up images of soap bubbles on google to get some good examples. i was quite surprised at the range of the look i found.

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Kraellin
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and because bubbles are rarely perfectly circular...

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Carl
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It will be interesting to see where you go with this one - soap bubbles have that refracted marbling spectrum effect, but your probly right there a range of looks, as usual I'm sure you will perfect it and it will be a good filter to combine with others as well as stand alone or being able to insert object inside the bubbles as in astrotravelling.......... Carl smile:)
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StevieJ
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Humble suggestion smile:) maybe an overhead version of something like this....thresholded for image to peek through the bubbles at different levels....

Steve

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Kraellin
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carl, well, i'm not so sure i'll perfect it. like you said, the marbling isnt so bad, but doing reflections is nearly impossible. and that's the thing with bubbles... they reflect everything around them. so, i almost have to ignore the reflective part. i can do a bit of highlighting and altering of colors and patterns, but putting reflective 'panes' in and other such reflections is a lot of work and slows the filter waaaaaay down. so, i'm mostly just going for a base bubble look that has the various marbling colors and some pattern and depth.

for the depth and variance of pattern and depth, i split the effect up and did a backside to the sphere with a different pattern set. this shows through the front side and gives the circle more of a sphere shape/look. the backside circle is also slightly smaller to leave more transparency along the edges.

one of the hardest parts was getting the circle to look like a sphere. i tried to do this with the colored pattern but am not completely satisfied. i also tried to use a gradient shading but that doesnt show very well and i think i even eliminated it in one part.

i think what i'll do is submit it as it is and also post it here for others to look at. maybe someone else can improve on it or suggest ideas or snippets for it.

and steve, yes, i thought about those types, but decided let's go for the simple round, blow your own type first. those types would require a complete re-write and different approach. so, one thing at a time smile:)
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and steve, yes, i thought about those types, but decided let's go for the simple round, blow your own type first. those types would require a complete re-write and different approach. so, one thing at a time

Just doing my job smile:D LOL.... smile:)
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Kraellin
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for any interested, do a google image search on 'soap bubbles'. you'll see what i mean about the variety of types and all the various things you can run into trying to duplicate such.
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Could easily have 20 different (and viable) bubble filters.....putting the attention on you as "Bubble Boy".....and less on me as "Metal Junkie" smile:D LOL.....

All in all, great idea!!! I haven't seen it done yet.....
Steve

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Kraellin
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yeah, easily 20. yellow ones, high reflection ones, low to no reflection ones, odd shaped ones, 'dry' bubbles and so on, ad infinitum. so, i'm opting for just one basic type with quite a bit of variety in the controls.

and thanks smile:)
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Presidio
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You two are hillarious~

Kraellin I thought you might be inspired by these bubbles...

My little one will be home from school soon so I gotta go.

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This might be a veiw to also look at..This has to be my favorite veiw of a bubble.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bu...pstick.jpg
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i think what i'll do is submit it as it is and also post it here for others to look at. maybe someone else can improve on it or suggest ideas or snippets for it.


Well here are some reflection bits of sorts..There is two in this snippet. My favorite being the second one that has a curve connected...Might take some playing with to get the look right..Also need to blend it with the bubble so it might take some doing just to get that looking correct.. smile:)

reflections.ffxml
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CFandM
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Or maybe this version will work smile:)

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Kraellin
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thanks, persidio smile:)

and CF, great snippets. i did plug one of them in and am working with it. it changed the overall to a transparent rather than the bubble ON the life preserver. now the life preserver is part of the bubble, which, i had considered doing to get reflections; just hadnt worked out HOW to do it before. so, that's definitely cool! but it now means i have more work to do. lol. i also changed it back to a simple filter rather than a surface. the speed was dropping and the height part got a little off and wanted to eliminate that quickly. i've only played with one of the snippets so far. did you make those up on the spot or were they something you had already made up? definitely helping me figure this one out.
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StevieJ
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This little snippet from Uber might help.....

simple bubbles.ffxml
Steve

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CFandM
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did you make those up on the spot or were they something you had already made up? definitely helping me figure this one out.


They were something I had for something else that I was working on but that got put aside for the moment.. smile;) You know how that goes...
But Uber had posted this method for mapping onto a sphere back last year...
http://www.filterforge.com/forum/read...0&TID=1222

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Thanx CF smile:) I never saw that one. That's a neat one which will come in handy smile:)
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Kraellin
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thanks, CF. and yes, i do know how that goes smile:)

i sort of remember that thread, but it was way over my head back then. glad to see it again. that's really quite amazing. see, i just dont think of plugging that checkerboarded sphere into the high of a threshold. never would have even occurred to me. i looked at that just now and am still not sure i quite follow how it separated out the sphere part from the background part smile:|

ok, had to look at it again. i see it now. he added the other element in the source. cool!
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Kraellin
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ok, this is with one of CF's snippets attached. hehe, i'm liking it smile:D

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Kraellin
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oh, and thank you, steve, for the file. that one looks like it would be useful for a method making bubbles like in the pic you posted!
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Kraellin
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this one's got a bit of a hard edge, but i think i can fix that.

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CFandM
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Looks like its beginning to look like a bubble.. smile:)
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Carl
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These are definitly comming along nicely - the image refraction in the bubble definitly adds to the bubble feel smile:) .......... Carl
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Kraellin
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yup, i'm liking these too. right now it's the consistency and trimming a few things that i'm working on. and may have to go back to the base texture and redo that. i'm getting too many strong parallel lines. i want some more rounded shapes in there that blend well. in other words, i dont want it to look like the AT&T symbol/logo.
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StevieJ
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Yeah, like how you are heading with the irridescence...... smile:)
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Kraellin
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thanks, steve smile:)

i've also now included the option to have just the bubble show on a transparent background or to have it display on another image.
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i've also now included the option to have just the bubble show on a transparent background or to have it display on another image.

Those sound like cool options!!! smile:) Still going to do the other 50 versions??? smile:D
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Kraellin
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steve, ummm... no. smile:)

ok, i submitted it. it will not work correctly on non-square images. even trying uberzev's proportional gradient i couldnt fix this. i really hate seamless tiling at times. oh well.

i'm not posting it here because it's got a couple typo's in this version. the library one is fixed. had to edit it during the submission.

also, if anyone knows a way to compress the elongated view you get with non-square images, that would be great. because of the way i did this filter, a compression routine would fix this stretching but you'd need one to compress where the horizontal is the long side and one where the vertical is the long side.
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Presidio
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Hi Kreallin,

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i've also now included the option to have just the bubble show on a transparent background or to have it display on another image.


I can't wait to see the finished product~

Last night I made a continuous acid wash for a the whole image- working with noise... today working on another filter that uses noise ... and... (where is she going with this you're wondering???)... I accidently came upon some bubbles. Not on purpose---->no. And I'm not going in that direction (it's pretty much finished)... but I'd be willing to send you the file if you think you can use anything from it.

They are not the best bubbles and it's not a bubble filter--- attaching file of bubble types on my Poppy Flower.

((I'm not sure something like this would work on a solid background- but will be curious to see what your genius mind has come up with)).

So is there anything in bubbles image attached you think might help you? (((Bubbles are tough- these here were an accident. *grin* ((Don't worry about the line- that just happens to be in this one- easy to get rid of with the controls in the filter). The bubbles are not perfect- but they are there.

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Kraellin
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sure, love to see it. send away or just post it here. i have no monopoly on bubbles (though, she might say otherwise) smile:)
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Presidio
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LOL Kraellin,

I saw that you had finished and uploaded your bubble (Heading off to download it now). It's right next to my newly uploaded Plaster Cast http://www.filterforge.com/filters/ca...page1.html

So I'm heading over to be the first person to download your bubble. smile:D

The first of many!~

So... when I saw you were done with your bubble... I took mine and when I copied it over I started looking at it with a 'curious' eye. Hummmm... LOL. (((You know I made something with it... almost done with the tweaking process. Remember the old Eye Candy Water? Yep... I went that route. I named it "Condensation" (((no bubbles here))). I told you I wasn't going touch bubbles with a ten foot pole~ Nope.

Now my dear friend that requested more sliders...

Convert to Noise ---->> (this one also increases the drop size)
More or Less Water (amount of water)
Brightness (base image)
Contrast (base image)
Droplet Shading
Invert the Drops

Well I better head out to download your bubble if I want to be the first to download.

Hope you don't mind; I just figured your bubble was done so you didn't need the file.

Not mad? Hugs?

Jean aka Persidio


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Presidio
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Kraellin,

I downloaded and commented but it doesn't show any downloads on the filter...

Wanted you to know. I refreshed the page and everything, still showing no downloads.

Does it just take awhile to show the filter had a download? Talking about your Bubble Filter.

Jean
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Kraellin
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i like your pic and effect. reminds me of the craquelcure plugin. water is difficult to do in plugins, so i'm always happy when someone comes out with somethng. i used to have to do water droplets by hand....ugh!

mad? nope. i'm completely flattered when someone uses something i made to make something else. borrow, steal, whatever you like. just throw me a credit bone once in a while and i'm happy smile:)

dont know a thing about the download count. could be a browser setting or something on FF's side. dont know.
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i used to have to do water droplets by hand....ugh!


ARGH! Shiver~

Water Droplets by hand,,, WOW.

mad? nope. i'm completely flattered when someone uses something i made to make something else. borrow, steal, whatever you like. just throw me a credit bone once in a while and i'm happy

Giggle... Hummm... Kraellin... you didn't make this one... none of it. I was just going to share it with you then you didn't need my help anymore so I used it. Otherwise would have no problem giving you credit. This filter happened as a result of another project I'm working on... the bubbles just showed up because of my noise settings- then refined and tweaked to get the Eye Candy water effect. (((Your cute)))

About the bubble filter you made... also Carl posted before I did (I posted a comment on the fitler after Carl did). And I'm sure he must have downloaded a copy; but when I got there it was showing no downloads. Then I downloaded and it still wasn't showing.

Could be on FF's side... maybe it's just slow to show the downloads too. It wouldn't hurt to ask Vlad about it to be on the safe side though (if you wanted to). You might want to ask Carl if he downloaded a copy (I'll bet he didn't forget to download when he was there posting the comment on the filter before I got there--- which means you should be showing at least two downloads. ((And there's no way we could have been the first two; although we did kinda of catch it as it fell into the Gallery. *chuckle*

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Giggle... Hummm... Kraellin... you didn't make this one... none of it. I was just going to share it with you then you didn't need my help anymore so I used it.
ah, ok. misunderstood.

and re the download count, thanks smile:)
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Presidio
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(((( You make me smile ))))

No Problem smile:)

Tell you what though---- you've been a Godsend to me on the Acid Wash Filter. So don't cha worry,,, I most certainly will mention all the suggestions and great advice for that filter. Now I might not take all the advice... but I listen and incorprate. smile:)

And your welcome about the download thing... my Plaster Cast filter is right next to your Bubble Filter. So I'm a bit concerned too that there may have been some downloads that didn't show.

Well I better go work on tweaking my Eye Candy Water type Filter. It's pretty much done- just some last finishes--- presets and a good look-over.

See ya later Gator,

Jean
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Presidio
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(((Back--- that was fast...)))

I just updated the description and will be uploading the Condensation filter.

Not sure if you've read some of the 'About' screens on my filters---- but you'll see I will promote a friends filter every once in a while on that area, as well as talk about the fitler the that area is for. Ron Vier's is on quite a few of my about screens.

And since you hinted for a little filter promotion help... smile:D I tried to send some traffic your way with this filter. Once they get done looking or downloading they head out... so hopefully after they view my Condensation Filter they will head over to the Bubble. ((I always take care of my friends)).

This is what I have for the About area on the Condensation Filter:

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This filter has sliders to control various elements in the settings panel:

Convert to Noise ---->> (also increases the drop size)
More or Less Water (amount of water)
Brightness (base image)
Contrast (base image)
Droplet Shading
Invert the Drops

Similar to Eye Candy's 'Water' filter; The droplets in this filter have a better transparency then the Eye Candy version (JMO).

If you change your mind during your project and decide you do not want water this filter will convert the drops to a very fine noise (grain).

And if you happen to be out Filter Forging; check out my other filters and...

I have a friend who just loaded a 'Bubble Filter' if you want to have a look-see; it's by Kraellin.

Enjoy~


Jean
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Presidio
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Could even animate them--- this is similar to the other pic- but a different application of water applied. Very good for animation- forgot to mention that on the 'About' screen. LOL Oh well. It's on it's way to the Gallery.

Jean

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what might help is the idea to treat color and reflection in two channels. irridescence is caused by a thin film effect which reflects/refracts slightly differently depending on the incident angle... so... to fake it you would apply a gradient color radially from the center of the sphere, assuming you have a sphere already... Then map a second spherized channel with a generated texture to simulate the environment.

The wave pattern is usually caused by 'rivers' of material flowing over the surface of the bubble giving slightly different densities per area, also effecting the refractive chromatic angles. (different colors) For this effect perhaps a third layer over top which would by using a generated swirly pattern (like you already have) and the refraction node create the effect you are looking for.

my 2 c. hope it helps.
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Kraellin
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looks good, jean. and thanks for the mention smile:)
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what might help is the idea to treat color and reflection in two channels. irridescence is caused by a thin film effect which reflects/refracts slightly differently depending on the incident angle... so... to fake it you would apply a gradient color radially from the center of the sphere, assuming you have a sphere already... Then map a second spherized channel with a generated texture to simulate the environment.

Excellent tip smile:)
Steve

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Hi Kraellin~

Ah... no problem. Glad to do it~ Not only will I give credit when it is due but I'll always try and help promote friends filters.

The reason I haven't given credit for any snippets is because I don't use them. Now I looked at the one you had sent over for the diamonds- and prior to that I'd actually been messing with two frames and an alpha (on my own stuff) then thru the process had gotten away from that. So the alpha on your snippet it reminded me to retrace some steps. However I didn't use any part of it... I just never use snippets or anyone else's filter bits. Only my own. I'll take a look,,, but never use. (Personal preference is all---- I like to create--- and have enough ideas not to need them). Verbal advice is what I cherish the most----> and you've given that. I wanted you to know that I appreciate the input.

Now the refraction on the diamond sheet of the one you made was lost slightly; which I already knew that by ripping out the blue gradient that I'd lose diamond quality which is why I didn't put it on an alpha channel. No one else had been able to make the diamonds on FF---- and the blue gradient is the key to that (if taken out the diamond quality is lost slightly- along with the frames component. And although I don't use snippets ... I love good advice from friends. (((Very valued)))

I just wanted to clear up that I hadn't used any of your snippets- also wanted to let you know that I value your advice even when I decide to take another route.

Hi Bongo~

LOL Are you trying to turn my Condensation filter into bubbles? hehe

And yes what you described would do it~ smile:D It should hit the Gallery on Monday- uploaded it Friday. Feel free to grab it and make some bubbles. Krallin already has a GREAT bubble filter though.

Oh Kraellin~ I just looked- my Plaster Cast filter and your Bubble filter are side by side------> you've got 13 downloads... I've got 16. It's a horse race smile:) Have a feeling the bubble will start to jump ahead. LOL ((I looked because I wanted to make sure the downloads were working--- remember yesterday I download the bubble filter and so did Carl and nothing was showing.

Well I hope everyone is having a fantastic day~ And hope everyone has a GREAT Mother's Day tommorrow.

Jean
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Kraellin
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thanks, jean.
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TY Kraellin, anytime. smile:D

Also if any filters of mine work well in conjunction to yours- I'll include those on the about screen too.

Whew working hard on a filter over here.

Jean

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