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Kraellin
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since patterns seem to be the rage lately, thought i'd have some fun too smile:)

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Groovy, man!!! smile:) I like them smile:)
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Kraellin
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hehe, well, they're not quiet psychelic, but i like em too smile:) i wanna work out some underpinnings on these. they're already there, just gotta pull em out more.
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MysticBlueRaven
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Woooowser these are so cool Craig smile:D I really love the first render, smile:D smile:D smile:D smile:D smile:D smile:D
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Kraellin
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thanks, lynn smile:)

these were inspired by all your recent pattern work smile:)
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Presidio
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YOUZA!!! Looks like painted wood grain patterns!!

Kreallin ... WOW!

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Kraellin
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painted wood grain...now that's an interesting idea smile:)

i'm never quite sure about these patterns. they are fairly easy to make (usually) and i do kinda like it myself, but what do i do with them? and what would anyone else do with them? we're a good group of folks here and very generous with compliments (which i love), but what is the 'general public' thinking? does anyone besides ourselves enjoy these and more importantly, use these? so, i'm always a bit reluctant to make patterns. ya know?

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Presidio
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Kreallin I'm propably the wrong one to ask because I've been addicted to making backgrounds since 1998.

Uses for background filters. Sometimes people want a filter to generate backgrounds to make a backgrounds web site where they offer backgrounds for downloads.

Sometimes they like to store the backgrounds in their paint programs as instant 'fills'. ((I do this)). All of mine are of course organized to give credit to the filter artist, so that I know in the future to give credit.

Sometimes people use them to create other graphics with... or to use with scrapbooking.

Sometimes they are looking for just the right background to create their web site with.

Sometimes 3d artists need the background as material... as well as 2d artists.

Others will propably have more suggestions. (((I only have two HU's... one was a pattern and one was a frame... so ... not sure how much they are needed... I make backgrounds and patterns just because I like to... addicted to making them, always have been. Like I said, I'm propably the wrong one to ask, LOL.

smile:D smile:D smile:D Hope that helps~ smile:D
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Kraellin
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hehe.

yes, i like making them too and viewing them, but i always feel a bit like i'm cheating (being that they are relatively easy to make) or that they wont have any use to anyone. hadnt really considered background use for patterns, or at least not the more flamboyant like this one is. so, never quite sure.

ok, just made another preset. i can think of one use for this one, playing card backs smile:)

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Kraellin
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here's another i just did that i like.

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Playing Card Backs would be the perfect name for it!

Typically with backgrounds,,, red, black and yellow, black and white in the same background can be tricky to pull off. After awhile you used to combining the right colors... takes practice. It helps to know your color wheel. Lynn and myself used to stay up all night making backgrounds before we knew each other and before we found filter forge. The right colors and patterns comes with time and practice. There are other graphics artists in here who propably also stayed up late, late making backgrounds before finding filter forge.

You are right... they are a fun to make. And also I agree... not sure how much they are wanted or needed. Mostly that's why I also try to make other types of filters because I could easily just make backgrounds.

You may want to consider copying and taking over to create a new filter. Then loosen the pattern, change your lighten and maybe even add some metallic? Or not... also you could soften the edges just a bit... helping?

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WOW!!! Just saw the new sample!

Luv it!!! Reminds me of peacock feathers!

Correction from last post.. I must be getting tired, LOL

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change your lighten


What I meant was...

Change your light settings...

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Kraellin
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ok, i changed this to a surface filter to try for more depth.

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Forgive me when I get tired... my posts are not so easy to read, LOL. I reread my last post and had to chuckle... getting sleepy~

Here is a screenshot of what I was saying about the lighting. When making patterns this area is very important.

Increase your lighting... and increase your surface height to fit each preset. On some filters this area is ignored, but on a pattern this area is key. Hope that helps~ smile:D Just my JMO~ smile;)

Can't wait to see more samples~ smile:D

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ok, i changed this to a surface filter to try for more depth.


Dang!!!! That's kewl!!

Now we're talking!!!! LOL

I luvs it!

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Kraellin
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ok, i paid close attention to the color wheel. yellow as the key color, violet as the complement and blue and red as the triads.

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Kraellin
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ok, one more.

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MysticBlueRaven
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The last 2 samples look great Craig, it looks like you are learning how to change the patterns with colors and lighting. That is great
I agree with Jean on what she had said. I have pulled way to many all nighters just making seamless tiles and backgrounds before I have found FF. What I love about FF is that I can make a pattern, that would normally take me hours to achive in paint shop pro.

When I make my patterns, in FF I have an color wheel that I use to get the right color combination that I am seeking, plus I also may change the lighting to help out certains areas of the pattern. Most of the filters I make I use the surface, which gives the pattern more depths.

I also agree that making patterns is fun to make and very relaxing to make.
I need to start making other typres of filters beside patterns, to me that is an hard habbit to break lol
For uses for backgrounds Jean has covered most of the bases.
I know some people will take an backround of pattern and use it as an base to make a new pattern from it.
I use background to make matt pose files for poser, I use them as building block using layer upon layer to get the look I am wanting.
Don't forget gammers, they use alot of backgrounds and pattern.
I hope this makes sense to you, I just woke up and I haven't had my coffee yet
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Presidio
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Giving Lynn some coffee~ smile:D

Oh Lynn I'd forgotten some do play with the base to get their own pattern. Talisman 2 would be a good example filter where you could take a pattern and turn it into a completely different pattern.

I'm not awake either~ LOL

I was trying to let Kraellin know that reds and yellows taking a primary position together in a background can be tricky. The last preset he made is my favorite of the two. Can be done, just tricky. I got away with it in Jazz... http://www.filterforge.com/forum/read...4&TID=3199 but I had to tone down the red.

Good backgrounds require intelligent thinking and the right touch. smile:D

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I need to start making other typres of filters beside patterns, to me that is an hard habbit to break lol


Your backgrounds are stunning! But also remember you have one of the best frames filters I've ever seen. You have filters other then backgrounds~ smile:D Besides Lynn you have that magic touch when it comes to backgrounds.

Since I only have so much time left on FF I think I am going to do what I enjoy and stay with backgrounds for the remainder of my time. Not sure yet. Today is the 22nd though... smile:cry: The end of July is approaching... Then no more FF for me.

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Kraellin
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thanks, lynn smile:)

just expressing some doubts, i guess. and yes, playing with changing the pattern with color and light rather than shape tools, or at least more so than in the past.

i think it would be fascinating if FF had a button you could push and the patterns would alter continously as a sort of slideshow animation. set up a few parameters, or not, push the button, and watch your pattern alter over and over again in an animated manner based on any number of factors. hard to do, i suppose, especially given some of the render times, but nonetheless, an interesting idea.
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Kraellin
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ah, jean, you posted while i was sitting here playing more with the filter and composing my thoughts.

the way i was taught color wheel was, you take one color, whatever you want, and use that as your key color. the color opposite that one is its complement. you use that one slightly less than the key color and use it to enhance and, well, complement the key color. and then you use the triads to augment both of those, again, using less of those than the key and the complement. so, your reds and yellows can work fine together since red would be a triad of yellow and yellow would be a triad of red. you'd just use less of one for the most part.
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Kraellin
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ok, one more here, this time with orange and blue mostly. i also used a custom lighting environment i made for this one, called 'fire-1'.

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MysticBlueRaven
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Thank you very much for the coffee Jean, I sure did need it badly smile:D smile:D
Craig here is 2 exsampes of an presets the First one is the orgrinal one the I poseted in Vintage Tiles, the second is what it looks like when you change the colors and the lighting

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MysticBlueRaven
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Second sample

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here they are side by side

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On the orginal one I was leaning toward the metalic look , where on the second one I was going more towards an feative look. The colors I used in the second one is blue, orange,green and purple the darkest colors, where in the first one I used the lighter side of the scale. I hope this helps you understand the key part what color and lighting can do for an pattern. Also these used the surface, I will upload them again so you can see what they look like using just the simple filer. The surface and simple make an big impact on your preset

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Presidio
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Luv the last preset Kreallin~ Rule of thumb... make sure your colors are playing well together (they are)... sometimes nice to get them in the same color family... that helps...

also that your surface height and overlay play well together. In that last preset your surface height and your depth are competing. You could take the surface height... make it larger as in a more of a shadow position then an pattern... that way you don't have two patterns vieing for attention. Everything in the pattern needs to act as a team.

Kreallin that last preset was my fav in the samples! And I think you have something with a 'fire pattern'... pretty sure we have NO fire patterns. ((((Run with that is my advice))). smile:D

Lynn... Luv your patterns!!! smile:D smile:D smile:D

Here is an example for surface height... (in the lighting panel)

Preset 1 from my Wood and Chrome filter

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Presidio
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Now same preset with the surface height set to Zero

This comes in handy if I'm working on a web project where I want the preset to be the embellishment but I need another area that holds text... and this way I know the two tiles will compliment each other perectly when using in the same project.

Lighting is not changed in these... just the surface height.

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Presidio
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and side by side... to show the surface height difference

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Kraellin
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jean, lynn, thanks.

i'm afraid this one isnt a matter of surface height or color arrangement. i've got to go back further in the layout and separate out the background and foreground more. i've pumped the surface height all the way up on this one and it basically does nothing. so, i may have the wrong component plugged into the height node. but, it may go back further than that. i did some tricks with those components back early in the routine that cross over here and there and i think that may be messing me up, since one leg is crossing over into the other and i end up with too little difference to give good height. i'll just have to work with it more.
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Kraellin
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ok, here we do. this is more what i was trying to get. i WANTED the pattern conflict. or maybe a better word is pattern OVERLAY. this gives the whole thing the depth i was looking for.

and i was right. i messed up my routine earlier. i used a set alpha where i shld have used a blend. much better now smile:)

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Kraellin
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yeah, i'm liking this a LOT more now. you can see both patterns and both have their own definitions. and, i believe i can set the depth even greater now by manipulating the colors.

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Kraellin
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yup, i'm on the right track here smile:)

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Kraellin
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sometimes you've just gotta get this stuff out of your own head and talk to someone, so, thanks, jean, lynn smile:) it's made the difference.

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Kraellin
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feelin much better now smile:)

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Kraellin
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i know these wont be to everyone's tastes, but i'm getting what i was trying to get, so, well done, me! smile:)

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Kraellin
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hehe, addictive little things these patterns smile:)

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Kraellin
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more!

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Kraellin
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if it doesnt make me grin, i dont submit it. and i'm definitely grinning now smile:)

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Kraellin
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ok, let's leave at this one for now smile:)

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Oh Kreallin you've got the pattern bug!!! smile:D

Your pattern and overlay are now working together... good job! smile:D smile:D smile:D

The cut out effect you have on the last sample is brillant! (Oopps the second to last samples)(we must have posted at the same time). Also luv all the samples... busy pattern, bold colors~ They are very bold... LOL. But I luvs them!

The samples show a variety to the filter!

Sweet pattern filter!!!

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Kraellin
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thanks, jean smile:)

yeah, i'm much more pleased with it now. that's what i was trying to do, a sort of filigree pattern over a more solid. still a couple tweaks, but essentially it's working now.
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Kraellin
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and i've had the pattern bug for a LONG time. i just mostly keep it supressed smile:D
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