Presidential Politics :)

Very true.....not only that, but we (our ancestors) basically wiped out (murdered) almost all of the native Americans here.....nothing to be proud of there, that is for sure......

i tend to agree that we shldnt reward a criminal act by giving out amnesty. but, i also do somewhat buy into the arguement of they've become ingrained in our culture and are helping it prosper. there are quite a few mexican farm hands around here. i dont know how many are illegals, but they work and i see no reason to throw them out for wanting to work and earn a living and survive. let em work. give em a green card or something. yeah, i know, that's still rewarding the illegal action, but why shld the folks that hired them suffer just because some conservative's panties are in a bunch. hell, we stole part of their land to begin with. seems only fair that they shld steal something back

steve, i dont agree with 'profiteering' either, but on the other hand, we've lost millions of jobs to cheap labor overseas. so, if we allow cheap labor into the country... lol. ok, even i dont quite fully agree with that arguement. heh. the point is, the illegals must think they are getting a decent shake or wouldnt they just go back to mexico all on their own? and trust me, there really is something to the arguement of 'jobs we dont want to do' in all this. the jobs i see mexicans doing around here are picking and weeding of agricultural land. others just dont want to do it or already have better jobs doing something else or are living on 'disability' or welfare. if you want to get rid of something, get rid of welfare and we'll talk

punishment, punishment, punishment... forget punishment. we've never used it very well. penalize, fine, but punish... let's get away from that.

the simple fact is, the illegals are making a contract with someone to work. they are willing to do it for less than americans. so, it's essentially a labor dispute. americans are demanding a higher wage but not taking the jobs and the illegals are saying, hey, that's better than what i make at home so i'll take the job. and that's the problem with 'minimum wage'. it's an idiotic arbitrary imposed by democrats in order to get elected. it's never really worked and only causes more inflation.

guys, we're in a world economy now. labor is going to be more and more competitive. so, go ahead and bust employers for hiring cheaper labor and trying to keep costs down, and watch them take their companies overseas where they dont have any problems hiring cheaper labor.

you get what you reward and you tend to not get what you penalize. so, penalize employers by busting them and you'll have fewer employers. of course, you dont really want to reward them either and there's the rub, isnt it. the old rock and a hard place

aint politics fun

yeah, that's a good point, jffe, and one that i think mc cain is going to pay for come election time. as i understand it, that's a republican legacy.

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StevieJ wrote: What's the sense of having any immigration laws

----Well, it's not like we even know what those made up immigration laws are. If they are unrealistic for the average mexican to qualify for, then it's always going to be a losing battle. Rather than making it "more illegal", or even wasting the rest of our lives chasing them out, why not just set up some ways to make it easier for disease free non-criminal humans (from where the hell ever) to come live in the U.S., and to make sure they are 1) paying taxes (which would immediately begin to end the illegal labor problems), and 2) that they are not going to get kicked out later and disrupt everyone's lives and just cost other tax payers more money for that. I mean at this point, can the average mexican even afford a passport ? If not, then something's wrong obviously, and all the laws in the world ain't gonna fix it.

jffe

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StevieJ wrote: The existing laws work fine for those who get in line and do it legally

----Obviously, they do not work fine for many people at all, or we simply wouldn't even be having this entire debate ha-ha.


----So back to the topic at hand, I'd like to one-up any/all of Stevie's predictions, or at the very least match them all at once with a very specific one of my own. The experiment has failed, and will continue to fail rapidly it seems (no one's buying into it much, in addition to outing however many dozen skeleton's this little Alaskan witch has in her closet ha-ha). I predict the republicrats, will drop Palin soon, and replace her with someone else, most likely a middle aged white guy ha-ha.

jffe

Palin did pretty good with her speech last night.....whacked Obama pretty good.....hope people realize that she had some serious "speech-writers" behind that one.....

well, mccain's speech last night pretty much totally convinced me that i dont much care for either candidate. you can bet your sweet bippy that any time a politician starts talking 'change', that it's an election year. he tugged on the heart strings with his poor, i fought back from imprisonment and torture, and i dont want to make light of that. quite amazing. but, how does that qualify one to be president of the united states?

politics as usual.

obama started out looking pretty damn good in my eyes. i felt he was sincere, energetic and really wanted change. but, then he started flip-flopping and then he got joe biden and i realized it was the socialist party rising again. god help us.

so, when some politician starts yelling change, know that it's an election year and start asking for specifics; what change? how are you going to accomplish this? and when? nail it down. these tired old lines like 'deal with the special interests', 'lower taxes', 'smaller government' and all the other cliches just make me turn off the tube.

and when are we going to require truth in advertising in political ads? good god! i've been watching the mcconnel and lundsford ads for a while now and both are pretty much claiming the same things about each other in their negative ads and both denying the claims of the other? lol. it's no wonder the american people are so apathetic when it comes to politics!

mccain, steve. i was talking about mccain and his imprisonment in north vietnam.

I listened to most of the RNC and the DNC and all I can say is I hate those things. Nothing new is ever presented, but I think that is what they are designed for: simply to preach to the choir. I personally just want to hear policy not back story: I can research that myself. Personally I don't care how good or bad someone is at speaking as long as they can lay out substance.

I am with Kraellin, both canidates preached change but neither said any way they were going to get that change, but again I don't think that was the purpose of these conventions; however, if we don't start hearing policy and plans in the next week or two then we know we are in trouble.

Side note: I am sick and tired of how biased the media is though, I am leaning towards McCain because I can't stand Obama; however, the more media makes fun of McCain and Palin the more I just want to vote for McCain out of shear dislike for the news. Who are they to tell me who is the better canidate? I mean really... whatever happened to objectivity?

News has started to quote blogs now, as if that is a reallable source of information...

I have yet to really hear much of anything in the media that has anything to do with the candidates plans for my future. I don't care about their VH1 'behind the candidate' nonsense, and if they ain't in jail/prison, then who cares if they used to do donkey shows in Tijuana.

The candidates themselves might be spending 3 or 4 minutes every 2 weeks talking about their actual plans of action to create jawbs in the u.s. or for everyone to have some healthcare without it costing us all in other ways (ie = requiring small businesses to pay for it thusly lowering wages and making raises a thing of the past) but I've yet to read 2 words about it on cnn's webpage or anywhere I've stumbled across online.

I suppose it was more or less like this the last couple times that I payed attention, but I thought people had lost enough now that they'd actually want to know what's going on, and demand better treatment, it looks like that is not really the case. And if they don't impeach boosh jr. there, cheney, and lock rove up too, then why even bother, the whole scam is so paper thin now anyways, re-elect reagan's corpse, it ain't gonna change anything at this rate.

jffe

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jffe wrote: if they ain't in jail/prison, then who cares if they used to do donkey shows in Tijuana.

ROFL.....

well, i have to agree ... with someone ... that palin was a bad choice. i will NOT vote for anyone who has a zero tolerance on abortion (including emergencies) and does NOT believe that evolution exists. i dont believe the evolutionists have it completely right either, but at least it's based on empirical evidence. so, to just throw that out the window because you dont happen to like it or your religion wont let you agree with it, is pretty much absurd, and even a bit insane.

i dont follow a lot news; what was 'troopergate'? i can almost guess, but point me to a site.

what was the snl skit? i cam in late.

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"TrooperGate" is going to end Palin......abused her position for personal/emotional issues.....

google troopergate taser ...

I'm really not liking McCain very much after his political "campaign suspension" stunt to try and take credit for a bailout resolution.....and then repeatedly trying to misrepresent Obama's position during the debate last night.

IMO, McCain's limitted "two-dimensional" reactive thought process really showed through during the debate last night.....especially in regard to the situation in Iraq. It's like McCain has blinders on....."We've gotta win in Iraq and withdraw with honor".....without any regard to the source of the resurgence problems that are keeping us in Iraq. I think Obama is right about how to deal with it.....the only way that we're gonna be able to stop the resurgence problems in Iraq and get out of there is to end the source of the problems in Pakistan and Afganistan. If we don't end the source of the problems, then we are going to be stuck in Iraq forever.....spending 10 billion dollars a month that could be better spent on addressing problems right here at home.....

Another thing.....if McCain loves and cares about his fellow veterans so much, then why didn't he do anything to try and alleviate their problems during the past eight years of the Bush administration???

I'm a Republican-leaning Independent (I wanted Romney).....but McCain's approach and mentality is the last thing this country needs right now......

I looked into McCain's eyes and saw a "sub-optimal version of Bush".....

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jffe wrote: why was Mc Cain unable to rotate his neck more than 10* toward Obama, he never once looked at him that I saw, it was like he was not willing to acknowledge that he was in the same room ha-ha.

I noticed that too.....probably to project that Obama is unworthy to be there or something like that.....

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jffe wrote: Mc Cain has some good sounding points here and there, but it's all stuff that sounds good on paper, and has no real precedent in reality. At least Obama's vagueness comes from the fact that he is not making a million promises, he's sticking the things he wants to work on, things that are important to normal day jawb workers who have no stocks and companies to launder their money through.

So true.....Obama is definitely appealing to voters who are feeling the economic cruch.....while McCain is desperately trying to do anything and everything he can to keep himself from slipping in the polls.....misrepresnting Obama's positions in ads and the debate, trying to steal credit for the bailout resolution, etc.....but there's no way to get away from the fact that he supported 90% of Bush's policies that are responsible for the troubles we're in now.....

I think that they should freeze all CEO's "golden parachute" assets.....and then make them pay (and do a stint in jail) if the FBI discovers that they were engaged in fraudulent practices. These CEOs should definitely be held responsible......

LOL..... Well, the FBI is now currently involved in investigating 26 banks......will be very interesting to see what they come up with.....if anything to make the Republicans look even worse before the election.....

Poor McCain.....he can't get away from being a "de-regulator".....which allowed these CEOs to run wild with bad paper. Obama is going to have to do a better job of 'driving home' these issues in the next debate......which will be on the economy.....

Short of Obama doing something seriously foolish between now and election day.....He will be our next president!!!

yep, palin was a very bad choice. but then, so was biden. but, i believe you're right, steve, despite my campaign for a viable third party, obama's going in.

Palin needs to come down with some kind of incurable desease (like by tomorrow morning).....she drops out as Mccain's running mate.....Mccain immediately replaces her with Romney.....who just happens to have a bailout solution that saves the day......wins the presidency for McCain.....then pigs will fly and wear lipstick..... LOL.....

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=HnT9W0ONycc