mbug90
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This is a tough topic to post. It kind of would belong in two different parts of this forum, well, because it is possible to make abstract art with Filter Forge just as it is with Photoshop or any other graphics software alone.
I have long been wanting to figure out how to make abstract designs that are pleasing to look at, and do not really look like what a five-year old would do with a Photoshop brush. Remember those complex designs you would see on women's one piece swimsuits? Those are the kind of designs I would like to achieve. I have tried to make abstract designs before, but what came of it rarely looked good to me. I believe it will look good to everyone else if I think it looks good. I have seen tutorials of how to do abstract art in Photoshop, but many of them only show how to make glowing light effects and use premade brushes. Would like to start from scratch here, thank you very much. I am especially interested in taking a random image and abstracting it to the point of being something completely original. I have searched as much as I could for techniques and have rarely found anything relevant. It is also very difficult, if not impossible, for me to envision an abstract piece in my mind and create it exactly as imagined. Anytime I tried to do it the result ended up looking juvenile. So, are there any suggestions you can lend me? |
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Posted: February 19, 2015 1:58 pm | ||
Ramlyn
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Could you post any example?
There are many kind of abstractions that can be done with FF. If you show what you precisely would like to do, we can give you the right hints or suggest you a filter. |
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Posted: February 19, 2015 2:56 pm | ||
mbug90
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Posted: February 19, 2015 4:50 pm | ||
CFandM
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Find something such as above that you want to create then take a look through the library and find something close or something that catches your eye....Look at the filter and how its constructed then build on that to learn how things work....
ABSTRACTS The distortions are also a good place to start in looking for methods of abstraction of an image.... Distotions Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times! |
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Posted: February 19, 2015 10:41 pm | ||
mbug90
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The abstract filters I have seen are not very interesting. I am still trying to figure out how to make distortions that are not even half an eyesore. The effects of the Noise Distortion filter look too... cliche.
I wish there was a software program that procedurally generate abstract textures. I have seen a few that look like they can do the job but they're either too expensive or I have yet to see what they are truely capable of. Studio Artist by Synthetik looks great, but it is worth more than half of my monthly income. Black Ink calls itself a "generative art" application, but I have not seen it do anything besides speedpainting and there is no texture support. Substance Designer by Allegorithmic seems to have been built for textures to be put on 3d models. ArtMatic? Forget it! I am a Windows type. Artmatic is Mac only now, Mac only tomorrow, Mac only forever. I have seen people use 3d modeling software like Blender for abstract design. But, there are lots of components and functions to learn about and knowing which ones to use will be tedious. I would love to make the stuff Skybase and SpaceRay have made. Not necessarily the stuff they have made available for us to use. |
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Posted: February 21, 2015 5:36 pm | ||
CFandM
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Well the only thing that I can suggest is grab some of their filters and see how they are constructed...You do not need to use the noise distortion to make distortion type of filters...
Take a look at some of mine as well I have some distortions that do not use that noise distortion component....Just like blender it does take some time to learn how things interact with each other.... btw those images above can be accomplished in Filter Forge... ![]() ![]() Just start with some simple stuff to get used to putting together things in the editor then from there you can make other abstracts.... One thing that I do (but its just me) is when I want to create a filter that produces a certain look or abstract I will grab a reference image and use that for my background image on my desktop...This way I can stare at it when I am on my computer... Sometimes it takes a day of staring or maybe more before I dive in to create the filter...... Here is just an example of another distortion... Other Distortions.ffxml Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times! |
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Posted: February 21, 2015 6:01 pm | ||
CFandM
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Building on the filter above can result in a different look to the distortion or look of the distortion...This can also lead to other ideals and a different direction the filter can take.....The attached filter has the same components except for a rotate and the filter is in a loop.....
Loop Distortion.ffxml Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times! |
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Posted: February 22, 2015 12:25 pm | ||
Fractalist
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mbug90 - You might check to see if Adobe Labs' Pixel Bender is still running on Windows machines. If it is, you can download a free copy of the PB toolkit here.
I used Pixel Bender for years to make abstract art, but Adobe stopped supporting PB, and then the most recent Mac OS "upgrade" (Yosemite) killed my old copy of the program once and for all. I've just started using Filter Forge in hopes of re-establishing the good workflows I had with PB. The PB toolkit runs standalone rather than as a Photoshop plug-in -- though a plug-in used to be available for Photoshop CS5 or older. (The link for the plug-in you'll see on that page I linked to just takes you back to the toolkit page.) I don't know which filters are included in the Windows toolkit, but a very useful one was called simply, "Droste." It did a lot more than make a standard droste, though, and rendered in real time as you tweaked your image with the settings. You can get a look at generative art I made with PB here. The starting image for many of those examples was a top-down view of a round glass vase sitting on a wood table top. Other starting images were swatch cards from the paint department at Home Depot, light coming through frosted glass, store window mannequins, and draperies hanging in a hotel lobby. I usually broke up the starting image with Photoshop filters, most typically the Polar Coordinates or Extrude filters, and sometimes broke the images up more with various filters in PB. I'd then work with them extensively in the Droste filter and do finishing work back in Photoshop, adding texture, cleaning up any odd little artifacts, shading, edging, and so on. The finished pieces look nothing at all like the original photos. Another option you might check out is Corel Painter, which sells for under $100. If used with a Wacom tablet and a digital brush, it mimics the process of painting with actual paint, giving you much better brush options and greater control than Photoshop. Some of Painter's automated painting features take a while to render, but just painting on your own happens in real time. You can use it with a photograph or simply paint an original image in it, but it lacks the transformative filters PB had. Afterthought: Vladimir Golovin's Bad Trip filter has been doing some cool stuff on Day 1 of my Filter Forge life. |
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Posted: May 3, 2015 8:37 pm | ||
Skybase
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Fractalist: nice work. Do love the color usage you got.
PB at this point is unfortunately dead thanks to Adobe being a bit unconfident about it. It's understandable seeing PixelBender attempting to run on GPU when nobody's GPU environment performs equally. It's currently still chilling as a legacy tool since people still use it anyway. At this point I don't see any similar tools that work with the CC suite. Although if anybody's interested as an alternative to FilterForge there's Substance Designer. It's main purpose is real-time texture development for 3D and games but it's equally a great platform for just making designs stuff. I personally don't see it being used as a way to make gigantic prints or anything like that though. It seems FilterForge is way better in that field. |
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