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xirja
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Aha, I knew it...

In this thread you'll see the following 2 quotes not much more than 6 hours apart: https://www.filterforge.com/forum/read...&TID=14155

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Lex Art Posts: 210

Thanks for making this thread and do the testing, good to know, will make myself the same tests and put it here

although I think that 600x600 is not much difference, it may be more difference when you make higher resolution results
Posted: May 14, 2016 4:57 am


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Space Ray Posts: 9200

Thanks for making this, good to know, I will also measure it to see what benefit I may get from 64 bit version

Also think that it may be good to also have a 2000x2000 result to see how much difference there is with a higher resolution
Posted: May 15, 2016 12:49 am


I for one vote for a good cleaning of the long winded and redundant clutter from the forums.
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Skybase
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lol It kinda gets on my nerves really.

Um. This is kinda hard to say but as a forum member:

There's this unwritten rule on most major forums in regards to bumping inactive threads. If you have nothing significant to share/contribute, please don't reply to inactive threads. Replying to inactive threads suggests that there's something new.

These forum appreciations that recently kept popping up don't add to the thread's purpose. It's like answering "thanks" to a person who asked the question: "what's the answer to 10*5?" 2 years ago. It means nothing to the thread, and it doesn't help anybody.

Best keep your appreciations to yourself for these old threads.
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LexArt
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Skybase wrote:
There's this unwritten rule on most major forums in regards to bumping inactive threads. If you have nothing significant to share/contribute, please don't reply to inactive threads. Replying to inactive threads suggests that there's something new.


oh, sorry, I did not know that It was bad to bump old threads, I just wanted to give thanks or make some comments on old things I may have discovered, but if this is not good to be done, or there is nothing positive, consttructive and useful to be added, then I will not bump any old thread and will be more careful to see the date of the thread, and will not put comments just to say thanks, I just wanted to be grateful.

i understand now that when is bumped you expect to see something new about this topic and something useful, so will take more care from now on, and as you say I will keep my appreciations for old threads

Sorry that I am not used to forums, I have just searched for "forum unwritten rules" to know more and found this 7 Unwritten Rules Of Social Media

And also golden rules for posting
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Skybase
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Yeah and also with what xirja said here. It's so weird seeing the same redundant posts.

I wish FilterForge would just clean those things up and discourage redundancy because there's so much of it.
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TDurden
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I'm new to FF, and completely new to posting in forums. So please forgive any misuse of terms, unintended poor forum etiquette, and any 'stupid questions'.

I recently commented on a bunch of gallery pics that went back to the beginning of time. My intentions were to make thoughtful comments, ask what filters were used, and give props to some truly amazing work. The next day I saw all those old threads up at the top en masse & quickly realized that may have proved annoying to some FF community members. I get it. My apologies for the faux pas.

I will follow LexArt's lead and links, and educate myself.
-Perfecting the past, one photoshopped pic at a time....
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Skybase
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I think questions are more welcoming to be fair. The thing is, questions may spark a new idea or two but only if so the question carries a new idea on it. It may spark a conversation and it might lead somewhere. That's productive.

My point here is that bumping old threads just for gratitude ONCE may have been great but I saw some overloads pop up like wild flowers that it kinda loses value. I'm not saying you guys have done wrong saying thank you, I'm saying that they're the same thing no matter how you may change what you write.

Also, I use these forums as reference for my work. I come here to of course enjoy but I'm also here to look up some old threads to see what others have done. I sometimes just have to dig through all these comments, links, reposts, quotes, etc just to get to the original post. It's a lot of information to look at.

I personally wish FilterForge would intervene to discourage excessive behavior at the expense of activity.
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Indigo Ray
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There is more to the story here than bumping inactive threads, though that's significant.

Let me say this:
It is nice to receive thanks/response for posting ideas, filters, and pictures... to a point. I don't want to "bake cookies" only to have each of you come and take one, smile with sugar addiction, and then turn around and leave immediately, only to come back later for another.

I mean, at least make a pun or something. smile;)

Edit: You'd think that some of the official developers/creators of Filter Forge would want to participate more in the discussion that goes on here...
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Rachel Duim
So Called Tortured Artist

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Most likely a full time moderator would be needed to keep things under control. Not an easy task. I agree with the sentiment, there is over posting and bumping of old threads without a doubt. Don't think I'm guilty...

A thought: any old filter or artwork that you like and want to praise, try using the artist's email link. But even then, don't send ten...
Math meets art meets psychedelia.
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xirja
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Didn't mean to sound like I'm afraid of machines here, but MATHEMATICALLY what are the chances that two 'individuals' would post almost identical comments in such a short time period. smile:?:

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LexArt's lead and links

haha, sure, you're... https://darkpsychology.co/troll

Has click farm spam bot newbie trolling been taken up by Redmond's Xiaoice, Rinna, or Tay? OMG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline...telligence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...e_projects
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...processing
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SpaceRay
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xirja wrote:
Didn't mean to sound like I'm afraid of machines here, but MATHEMATICALLY what are the chances that two 'individuals' would post almost identical comments in such a short time period.


Well, I can answer to this very easily, I was on my ipad, and when I have seen the comment from Lexart, I wanted to quote it but it did not work (it happens sometimes on the ipad) and I could copy it, but instead thought that I could write something similar, as never thought that anyone would be feeling bad because of this.

Sorry Xirja for being inspired in Lexart for the text, and to Lexart for not being able to make a quote of it, I should have really copied the text from Lexart, and put then, I agree with this

I will take care not copy any other person text

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Skybase wrote:
There's this unwritten rule on most major forums in regards to bumping inactive threads. If you have nothing significant to share/contribute, please don't reply to inactive threads. Replying to inactive threads suggests that there's something new.


Sorry for all the times that I have bumped many old threads, and many times without any worth comment that justified the bump

I will take much care now and I will not bump or comment on old thread if there is not a powerful and good reason to do it and is really worth and useful to someone else.
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Skybase
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And yeah, I'm just as guilty as anybody bumping one or two threads within a day. Sure, that happens in the flow of conversation. We're all human. I just think it's common courtesy not to over bump something that it fills up the recent Forum Posts column. lol

Additionally, many major forums often will archive threads that's been inactive for more than 12 months. I'm not suggesting we do similar, I'm just saying some places have policies against bumping and redundant posts. I think FilterForge has been the most relaxed in terms of rules. It's mostly self-moderating. But some intervention could help smooth things out.

[Edit] Few words, and removed some lines. smile;)
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GMM
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Skybase wrote:
I wish FilterForge would just clean those things up


I have to disagree. Our community is pretty small, and really a few people are active participants. Removing posts is like showing that certain people are not welcome here. Since 2006 we have allowed everything except spam and insults/personal attacks, and I'd prefer to keep it this way. I know it may sound too lax but small communities are sustainable even without strict rules.

Wish there were a separate "Thank you" button that would allow you to show appreciation without writing a separate post, but this forum engine doesn't support it. I'm afraid we have to stick to what we have.

I suggest the following: redundant posts are not forbidden but are not recommended. Can we agree on this? Skybase, LexArt, SpaceRay?..
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xirja
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We're all human.


But if not, does it qualify as

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insults/personal attacks


to call out AI?

smile:angel:
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Skybase
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I suggest the following: redundant posts are not forbidden but are not recommended. Can we agree on this? Skybase, LexArt, SpaceRay?..


Yeah sure. That puts stuff into perspective. <3
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LexArt
LexArt

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GMM wrote:
I suggest the following: redundant posts are not forbidden but are not recommended. Can we agree on this? Skybase, LexArt, SpaceRay?.


ok, I agree, and will take much care on what threads I post, and the post is really useful and is giving something good, and not just a simple comment, and not do it on old threads. do not worry that I will try to keep it clean and be more colaborative and share good and worthy things, not make trouble, want to be friendly and not annoying, sorry about what I did.

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SpaceRay wrote:
Sorry Xirja for being inspired in Lexart for the text, and to Lexart for not being able to make a quote of it,


do not worry, I did not notice that you copied my text, and do not care about it, and is not exactly the same
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EAdams

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xirja wrote:
I for one vote for a good cleaning of the long winded and redundant clutter from the forums.


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Skybase wrote:
Yeah and also with what xirja said here. It's so weird seeing the same redundant posts.

I wish FilterForge would just clean those things up and discourage redundancy because there's so much of it.

Is this what you mean by redundancy? smile:D

I have often been thankful that people have drawn my attention to old filters by posting their thanks even years after the filter was uploaded. So I completely disagree with the standpoint that if I discover an old filter and like it, I am not allowed to express myself. Bringing a great older filter to the attention of a new crowd of people can increase the usage of the filter and increase the value of the software to new users. In some cases absentee filter authors have even made a quick return visit because they were alerted to a comment having been made on one of their filters.

The only thing that gets on my nerve is spam and users who talk down to others.
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Skybase
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So I completely disagree with the standpoint that if I discover an old filter and like it, I am not allowed to express myself.


I'm referring more on the general topics listings not the comments on filter section. smile;) I should have made that clearer.

The thing is, I wouldn't have known what other people were thinking about. So it's nice hearing some disagreement with the topic. I think it's natural that we do. I have a more relaxed view of the thing now, hear me out for a moment.

I'm generally referring to several recent incidences where "thanks" became a big player on the recent forum post column. If it were just 2 or 3, I think I would have just dismissed it, but having the whole load fill up with similar messages kinda gets me on my toes. These were mostly on well-established "legendary forum topics" that are pretty damn interesting. And I figure having some appreciation for them is welcome.

The thing that gets me is that these threads are being appreciated by a select group of people interested in their own things. That's ok, but that only leaves us with his or her views filling up that recent list. Given this happening in excess and in short bursts, we quickly end up with the same "legendary" content once again accelerated by the same people.

But what about those other topics that got glossed over? There are many topics there that end up like that because they're too technical, too jargony, or just gets forgotten. I just think that's the unfortunate truth. I think if we wanted to have a wealth of interesting new ideas, more pretty pictures, you have to step in and try talking about them. The whole instance of inadvertent bumping of the same thing, making similar posts just doesn't foster that kind of thinking process. I think it only promotes attention.

If anything, I say we just be responsible for both your own actions but also for the sake of community.

This being said, there is no right way of doing anything and I'm really just dumping my critique for those forums. I really love these forums which is why I've cared to put all these thoughts down. <3 Folks, I love everyone here and I can't say that enough.

[Edits] Just small grammatical issues here and there.
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Ramlyn
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EAdams wrote:
I have often been thankful that people have drawn my attention to old filters by posting their thanks even years after the filter was uploaded. So I completely disagree with the standpoint that if I discover an old filter and like it, I am not allowed to express myself.


Same for me.
This period some people were looking back at old thread. Maybe their message on the tread was simply "Very nice and interesting" and we can call it redundant, but the thread itself was really good.
I'm generally busy with job. I read the new posts, but I have no time to go back looking at the old threads too. So, the fact that, even if with redundant posts, the threads were brought up again, was for me a chance to read them and find interesting starts for some new filter.
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