Light version of FF and comercial FF filters

*shaking head* Guys look I'm not talking about not wanting others to use it- I'm happy with others using my filters. Please re-read my post if you think otherwise. That's not what I was talking about.

If you wanted to you could boycott using my filters up to you~ everyone at Filter Forge is welcome to enjoy them- tear them apart etc... I'd love it. Use them- no prop.

I would strongly prefer to have the option if affiliate companies have them. Sure. And I did read in these posts that you "do not retain copyrights" in the current set-up- but that you give them up and the image and filter are royalty free. There's a big difference. (((Have no problem giving up copyrights for Filter Forge Artists to use them))).

I actually wasn't planning on posting again till uberzev said he didn't want me to. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with discussing it- no one is upset with anyone here ... that I know of. In fact I've already apologized to Uberzev for offending him in any way.

Like I said, I really can't stay in this thread though too many things on my plate. Thanks all for the input and I enjoyed reading the feedback. I gotta tell you the way Kraellin ... jffe ... Crapadilla put it- yes I'd be sold. I love the program but the posting I read about the eula and what you three are saying don't jive. I also want to apologize if I've offended you there or anyone else who may have read my posts. Sincerely. I agree with the three of you~

It's the affiliate issue and having a choice. Not retaining copyright for my fellow graphics artists to have and play with- not a problem and I love it. If someone doesn't upload to the Gallery they miss out on the community experience... so you have to upload- as well as it's nice when you're filter is liked and taken apart. LOL

And the Graphics Community- you have no idea- someday when I know you better I'll share what it was like before the copyright Hoopla.

And it's not about legal action with the community anymore- it's about the community ignoring the product if they don't like the Uela- or if they don't feel it holds up to copyright standards. ((And forgive me but I don't think it's taken off like it could- and I know why)... so rethink the silent majority- you won't hear me on it anymore *grin*... because I didn't want to say anything in the first place. And that is much larger then myself I'm just a drop in the bucket and only a messenger for what I know about the Graphics Community. ((sorry if that's not what everyone wanted to hear))... really sorry... I like the program- love the filter, and the people are great- that's why I mentioned it. Because I'd like to see the program do even better. If my warnings are not heeded then no problem with me- but it is a reason why people who feel this way will not say anything. If anyone thinks I wanted to say anything that would be a mistake- the only purpose of giving this info is to benefit the company- sure doesn't help me to share the info. I've already got at least one person that doesn't like me now. LOL. Doesn't help me to share the info at all- but I did my part by sharing this information on the history of the Graphics Community on the web- and heavy copyright issues still exist- and has become a strong backbone of the community as whole. If a customer finds a problem the feedback is valuable to the company... and that's what I did.

Again... I mean no harm or ill will to anyone and sincerely apologize if anyone was upset. Also I've seen most all your work and gotta tell ya... Talented Group!~ I can see I'll have to sharpen my Graphics skills to keep up. *grin* You guys/gals are good - very impressed. And I believe it was Kraellin ... The Monster... *love it*. And you were so nice and helpful the other day too.

Also to let everyone know... a long post from me doesn't mean I'm upset- long posts and long emails run in my family. I'm not upset; just sharing info.

Okay so we move onto filter making now? Yes? And I am forgiven for any perceived intrusion or offense? I hope so because - I said my piece- gave info to 'the man in charge' and it's out of my hands.

Best Wishes

Persidio

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Persidio wrote: ike I said I represent a silent majority who are not going to say a word. I was part of the Copyright Hoopla on the web in it's day-

Which time would that be if you don't mind my asking. Just curious to read about it...

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Sure. And I did read in these posts that you "do not retain copyrights" in the current set-up- but that you give them up and the image and filter are royalty free.

ok, this may be where the confusion is coming from. if i remember correctly, YOU do own the copyrights to YOUR filter. but, the EULA stipulates that you are also licensing them for others to use, royalty free, IF you upload them to the library.

if you DONT upload them, then the filters have no other license and you still retain the copyrights and all derivative works thereof.

this junk is all stated in legalese in the EULA and i hate reading the thing, but i believe that's how it works.

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Persidio wrote: Do some web searches for those time periods.

What time periods would those be...

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Persidio wrote: It's clear I've been making graphics on the web a lot longer- so I'm not going to educated anyone on it

ahhhh ok...

Wow!!! I don't have a problem with it.....and I look at it like a symbionic relationship between myself, FF, and the FF community. I get access to alot of good filters, I get a good feeling from sharing my work with others, the feedback is more than helpful, and the sense of community is great.....

Another way to look at it is that FF is exposing, promoting, and giving recognition to your efforts.....with everyone who uses the program.

To jffe, I have explained in VERY simple terms. I've already answered that in previous posts- you should have read those before replying.

You simply are not reading my posts all my posts before you reply. And you are doing this because you want to argue with no interest in actually understanding the issues at hand.

The real problem is that I've been too nice about it. I apologized when I said nothing wrong, I catered and complimented everyone and apologized for offending anyone for sayingg what????

I'll tell you what I said... I said I won't buy this product because it sells images to affliates and does not give the user an option to use the Gallery and interact in that community without giving an option not to have said users images given to said companies affliates.

Do you want it any clear then that? Please understand the above paragraph before posting back to me.

I said nothing about not wanting to participate in the Gallery or share my images with FF members.

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----In a way, I see the concern, but it only applies if 1) you have some extreme desire to share/show off filters and can't control yourself from submitting them to the FF catalog ha-ha, or 2) you think FF is going to be the ruin of the graphic arts industry because it puts too much power in too many hands too easily. And neither of those reasons can be helped by any one outside person.

I'm sorry what planet are you posting from? What???

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. I don't really feel that yer making much sense, but you seem to feel strongly about something, and perhaps if it were explained well, it might be of some importance, impossible to tell from your posts though really.)

jffe... LOL,,, maybe if you read my posts? That would help. And please don't say you have because I can clearly tell you have not. This is classic and I'm cracking up laughing over here. And the funniest part is that you accuse me of not making sense. Clearly one of us has more intelligence in their writting then the other- and jffe your's is not it. But thank you for the laugh.

You want to know what I'm most passoniate about at this point? LOL haha Truthfully? That some people in this thread do not have the ability to read a post before responding and number two... they don't have the comprehension to understand the words.

So please continue to entertain me with baseless posts that have nothing to do with what I have written... LOL.

Well we know you can dish it, but... can you take it?

I don't know you, perhaps you know more about the minutiae of legal inanities than some of us, maybe all of us, but that doesn't mean your point is making any sense even in it's own context. I have read your posts, hence my confusion, perhaps you need to read the EULA again, could solve some of your confusion. Anyways, I've no further need for your self serving condescension, I suggested some ideas toward the whole subject of copyright/legal use debate, and am done. Buy it, don't it, use it, don't use it, submit a filter, don't submit a filter, no one else cares, and if they do, well, then they make their choice "silently", and don't need to be rude about it. *shrug*

jffe

I'm closing the thread. Anyone interested in continuing the discussion can do this via email.