Filters with usernames.

Filters with the username in front kinda bug me.

Sure it makes sense if a filter is similar to another one, but that rarely is the case. It also seems like filters named as such are typically of much poorer quality; maybe some individuals need to worry less about the glory and focus more on producing better filters. I'd be more impressed by a handful of well thought out texture filters then a flood of less than exemplary works, who's names just so happen to share the first part. Quality over quantity guys, the filter library already has enough filters that won't see much use, there's no need to bury the good ones even deeper.

Sorry that I come off as a bit of an a-hole, this has just been nagging me for a while and I had to vent.

Thanx Craig, I'll take it from here..... This is definitely a personal attack that they obviously intended for me to see......

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entRo wrote: I come off as a bit of an a-hole

I have to agree with you on that one!!! LOL.....

First, no one is forcing you to use my filters.....if you don't like them because I put my name on them or you think that they are "less than exemplary works".....then you are free to not use them.....it's as simple as that.....

Second, your under a huge misconception if you think that a more complex texture filter denotes a more useful filter. It's all in the concept and usefulness.....without anything to do with how many components it uses. My "GlossEmboss2" filter got a high usage rank after only 26 downloads.....so there goes your theory......

Third, there are no rules here that mandate that you have to submit your best filter works. I just submit simple filters that I think users will find useful as simple effects or used as snippets to build more complex effects. I'm up to 14 or 15 high usage filters now......so I must be doing something right. Care to explain that, or is it just a fluke???

Fourth, I used some forethought with putting my name in front of my filters.....for the reasons Craig mentioned.....and to be able to keep the filter name if by chance it goes to a low usage rank and gets the 'kiss of death' so to say. If it does, I can improve the filter, take the "StevieJ" out of the title, and resubmit the filter with out loosing the best name for it. Comprendez???

Fifth, if this is nagging you so much and you have become such an authority on quality filtermaking, then why don't you make some filters yourself so we can all see how it's done by an expert??? ......instead of sitting on the sidelines complaining about how usernames are being put on "less than exemplary" filters.....that are being done for free by authors who already have lifetime updates.....even for unappreciative users like yourself....

Sorry for the "edge" guys.....but things like this bug me and I had to vent LOL.....

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entRo wrote: entRo

This is a very sad post/attack and one that is filled with irrational thought -

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entRo wrote: filters named as such are typically of much poorer quality

name and quality have no junction, that is obvious from veiwing the popularity of filters in the library including Editors Pick

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entRo wrote: this has just been nagging me for a while and I had to vent.

your account was only set up on the 5th, you are some one who set up a dummy account because you are cowardly unable to stand by your word under your normal user name - one will also not expect you to respond to any of these post, which is preferable as we don't need petty negative bitterness in the forum

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entRo wrote: I come off as a bit of an a-hole

yes you certainly proved that

So what's the word, did we get an ip trace, was it a local ?

jffe

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Sjeiti wrote: Oh come on, he's not trying piss people off,

To voice an opinion about filter naming is certainly legitimate but also very trivial - what is pissing people of is saying people who take this approach make substandard filters

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entRo wrote: seems like filters named as such are typically of much poorer quality

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entRo wrote: ; maybe some individuals need to worry less about the glory and focus more on producing better filters

so yes this is an attack/pissing off on the people putting there name first - as far as i can see this hypothetical glory? derives not from the name, but from the quality of the filter, the name is irrelevant

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Sjeiti wrote: Oh come on, he's not trying piss people off

Oh contraire.....that's exactly what this guy/gal intended to do!!! What kind of user (if that's what he/she really is) goes out of their way to create an account just to complain about authors putting usernames on their filter titles??? Why would that aestetic in a filter title even matter to a user??? Don't you find this a bit "askew"???

The thing that really struck me as odd is......how could anyone think that an author gets any "glory" (or any positive value) by putting their name on a crappy filter??? Wouldn't that have the opposite effect by turning users away from all of their filters???

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see through the "just voicing an opinion" facade to the actual intent of their post.....hit-and-run dummy account.....and aren't coming back to defend it.....

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Sjeiti wrote: I see putting your name in front of the filter name as a form of 'shameless self promotion'.

Much less of a "shameless promotion" than starting the comment string on your own filters and posting sample pics to sell it.....which we are all guilty of, right???

I'm actually not upset about it at all......just defending the integrity of my simple filters from a "heathen infidel defier" LOL.....

i tend to agree with sjeiti about let's not go overboard here. there are several folks who do this, put their names in the filter names. he didnt, after all, name any one in particular.

on the other hand, i think you have to expect a bit of harsh treatment when you come into a friendly forum and your first post is a rant, even if a small rant. not a good way to endear yourself and make yourself welcome.

as for the names themselves, sjeiti, i was referring to use in the program, not the library. yes, all sorts of ways to search in the library. but, in the program, that's different. no search functions. so, when i want to add a particular type of effect and i know it's a glass type effect, i can just go to 'steviej' in the creative category and there ya go.

it's also a bit exasperating in the program when folks use cute names or non-descriptive names for their filters. you've maybe seen the filter once when you downloaded it and say it's a fire effect filter. you remember that much of it. but, try to find that when it's named something like 'hell's inferno'. you dont remember the name, you dont remember the author, you only remember it had something to do with flames. so, you go through the various categories looking for 'flame', 'fire', 'torch', 'scorch', 'light', 'hot', and who knows what else and cant find the bloody thing. had you at least known the author you could find it a lot easier in the program. and this happens even in the library, though not as often.

so, frankly, i'm all in favor of folks putting their user names in their filters. anything that will help me find what i want easier, is good with me.

not my turn to keep track. go look.

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Kraellin wrote: you dont remember the name, you dont remember the author, you only remember it had something to do with flames.

----Well, not like you don't know this, but for the most part, you can search via keywords and usually get pretty close. I mean, most people do include a couple of relevant keywords with their filter descriptions.

jffe

ok, subject covered. time to move on

Oh the naming is for inside FF programm. I misunderstood there then, probably because I never use it. I always go online, search for it, and re-download. So all this is more a flaw of FF than it is a naming issue. If there would be a good keyword search in the library in the FF programm than none of this thread would have happened. Well I'm sorry I used the word 'shamelss' then, this being such a touchy subject.

And yes I do agree that the first post here was rather tactless and cowardly. But he did say sorry in advance and I'd rather give people the benefit of the doubt. Although he/she/it is keeping awfully quiet now.

And I find 'starting the comment string on your own filters' a bit dubious too. But like I said: who am I to tell others how to use all this.

And Ahimsa... let's keep it a bit civilized. Calling me a troll like that is not very nice. I am not attacking anyone in particular here. I never said someone using the author name in the filter name would make bad filters. It's two totally different things.
I just think naming conventions are there for a reason and putting the author name in the filter name generates noise. But that's just my programming background, an opinion.

The bottom line is: we all want a better search in the library.

Hey Manon, I don't think Sjeiti meant any offense to us "usernamers" .....but entRo (or whomever they are) certainly did. I didn't realize that you were using your username for that reason.....makes perfect sense to use it like that in your case.....

I never looked at putting my username in the filter title as having any kind of glory or promotional value to it at all.....but maybe it would if my name became synonymous with "exemplary" filters.....so maybe I should take entRo's comments as compliments since they think I'm getting "glory" from it

I think that people put their names on them for all kinds of other reasons as well.....sometimes to drive home that it's their filter creation.....sometimes out of pride over their work.....sometimes like putting a vanity license plate on a car......and other times just to be to cute with the title......

On top of the other reasons why I do it (stated above).....I keep the "StevieJ" off of a filter work in progress.....then, when I have it all polished up and ready to submit, I slap the "StevieJ" in the title to segregate it from all the other "work-in-progress" versions of it and to denote that it's a finished version. It comes in handy since everything has to all be piled into "My Filters", I have miles of unfinished filters, and you don't have the ability to create folders for any kind of filter organization......

Well you still should have written under your own name. If you have an opinion with valid arguments and stay polite you should be able to speak your mind. When you post stuff like this anonymously people are apt to take it the wrong way.

thanks for that last, entRo

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I would say just come on in and try your hand at it.....you certainly seem intelligent and clever enough to channel it towards making some useful filters.....and taste some of the "glory" for yourself

we'd even let you put your name in the filter name

Always found the idea of putting my name in front of my filters a bit vulgar, but hey, that might just be me...

Hey, me loves me my ™ !

Yeah. And what's a "dilla" anyway?

his real name is Dill Crappa

Maybe he has a "serious" day jawb, and wouldn't want the CIA or whatever to know his hobby is making some of the wildest photoshop filters known to man ha-ha

jffe

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StevieJ wrote: a cover for his world.....errr.....filter domination plot Wink Big grin

*mumbles to himself*

Hah, that finally convinced them! Excellent. Now back to implementing 'The Plan™'...