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buccaneer

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I chimed in about six months ago about the (way overdue)need for an intelligent filter manager. It appears that such a product would be much in demand by many users.
The way I envision such a product, it would incorporate the following features.

1) Larger thumbnails
2) User definable categories
3) Slideshow capability (flaws in some filters are only apparent, viewed at full size)

I am guessing that a major stumbling block has been the complexity of adding such features to Filter Forge. Perhaps you might give some thought to creating a library manager as a separate product that required an installed version of FF to run. If this were available, I know I'd pay any reasonable price for it, and I imagine quite a few others would too. I realize now that plans for an ongoing revenue stream are focused on getting the Mac product ready, but if you're evaluating subsequent projects, I think this could be a rewarding idea.
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Vladimir Golovin
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1) Larger thumbnails


This is not that hard to implement, as we already have larger thumbnails pre-rendered for all filters (see the built-in filter downloader).

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buccaneer wrote:
2) User definable categories


This is harder, because it would require a total redesign and re-coding of the filter storage. Other benefits of such reworking include, for example, an instant search (like the search in Vista/Windows7). All this is planned for future versions, quite possibly for 2.0.
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3) Slideshow capability (flaws in some filters are only apparent, viewed at full size)


True, but the rendering time for larger bitmap sizes makes the slideshow impossible -- to be usable, FF will need to pre-render all filters in at least 500x500 resolution.

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I am guessing that a major stumbling block has been the complexity of adding such features to Filter Forge.


No, they're not that complex. Plus, we already have some open-source technologies in mind that would help greatly in implementing these. The major stumbling block is time -- all our programmers are currently busy with the Mac version, which is Job Number One right now.

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Perhaps you might give some thought to creating a library manager as a separate product


Releasing features as separate product is something we've been discussing internally -- it definitely remains a possibility.
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buccaneer

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Thanks for detailed reply. I understand all your reasoning except for the problems that preclude your consideration of a slideshow feature. This is largely due to the incomplete and misleading description of the feature I provided earlier. The way I should have described it is a batch render feature to provide material suitable for building a slideshow.

You are absolutely correct in describing such an undertaking as time-intensive, but as a scheduled task that ran at night or during other idle time it might work quite nicely. All that would be needed would be the scheduling hooks and a checklist by which the program keeps track of filters already rendered (or user-selected to be ignored) and those yet to be rendered. Using your figure of 500x500, I don't think it would be too unreasonable to expect throughput in the neighborhood of 100 filters per night. This means, in my case, that an admittedly massive collection could be tamed in less than two weeks. As for the thumbnailing and actual slideshow of the rendered filters, any of several existing programs such as Konvertor, IrfanView or FastStone Image Viewer could get the job done (assuming [you] didn't want to be bothered writing the equivalent).

At some point, one way or another, I'm going to create a browsable filter image gallery. I'm just imploring you to put something in place so I don't have to do it manually, one filter at a time.
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Vladimir Golovin
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BTW, have you tried the CoolIris slideshow feature on our website?
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buccaneer

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Yes... I did try CoolIris. Either I don't understand it or it doesn't serve the purpose. I spent several minutes with it and managed to view heavily artifacted previews of just a few filters from your Featured Filters page. I couldn't find a way of navigating anywhere else, and the colors were completely off for the filters that I recognized. Anyway, what I'm angling for is some way of managing my own filter collection, not the entire content of the FF site or some arbitrary site page.

Oddly, my first attempt to install CoolIris from the cooliris.com site was blocked (as some kind of malware) by Firefox 3.0.6. I was able to install it as an add-in from the Mozilla site. I think they were right with their original call; a good 75% of the screen was obstructed by these ugly yellow boxes, which I could only close momentarily, offering services I'd never want. I suspect that if I didn't have redundant ad-blocking filters in place I'd have been subjected to a barrage of crap.
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