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Valhalla
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I use a subscription program called Repper Pro that allows you to make patterns from part of an image. It's literally a medium-size image, a resizable box, and a large pattern output image like P4M. I think a function like this would be epic in Filter Forge and its infinitely more powerful engine. It could be its own tab, and the box area could run the FF filter on that part of the image or a pattern function PPM, P4M, P3M1, P6M, Cross Weave, Ladder, Octagon, and the many others.

Here is an image of Repper in action. The program is actually white, I restyled mine because white kills my eyes.



Here's what I think it would look like inside Filter Forge.
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Rachel Duim
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Something like this is possible. Bomber+ is capable of doing the “screen” on top. So a repper filter is on my list of to do’s. You’re 2nd on the list…
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SpaceRay
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ValhaIIa wrote:
I use a subscription program called Repper Pro that allows you to make patterns from part of an image.


Well, as far as I see it this may be very similar to Worlds Kaleid by Robert Webb on Google store android app that I like very much and is awesome

And as I did like it really very much I already thought about making a similar thing for FF but regrettably I have not finished it yet, and do not know when, but is good that is someone interested in this.

I have been studying and making a research on how this is done and be able to replicate and copy it to Filter Forge and how to make the tilings correctly and be able to select the part of the image that you want to use

There is also another plugin for Photoshop for Windows and Mac Kaleido FX by Human software but I do not have it and have not used it.
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SpaceRay
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I have seen that Repper uses Wallpaper Group tilings also and all these are already available in Filter Forge in the library

Compilation of filters of different tilings, tesselations & recursion

Go where is put BASIC 17 WALLPAPER GROUPS AVAILABLE IN FF made by Rachel Duim

And also available is Tile-O-Matic by Rachel Duim

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The program is actually white, I restyled mine because white kills my eyes.


How did you restyle it to have a dark UI? I agree with you that white is bad and is much better with a dark background. The FF forum is white and I would love that it could be dark too.
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Rachel Duim
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After more investigation, Cairo tiles are a challenge, but I think I can do it. Bomber+ is not the way... this is for transformation tools. This link on Aesthetic Cairos illustrates both the solution and the difficulty tiling pentagons. There are infinite ways to tile irregular pentagons. The best solution looks like using collinear (sides the same length) pentagons. I'll post again when I figure out the weird angles suggested by the link.

BTW, I have done a non-Cairo pentagonal faux-tiling, Six Pentagons.

Here are the angles I'll try for the Cairo tiling.

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Valhalla
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Thanks, Rachel #2 on the list; you're the best!

Hi SpaceRay, thank you very much for the info; I'll be checking it out after I post this.

How I styled repper:
I first used edge to save the app to my desktop with three add-ons and kept everything I edited as overrides in the dev tools, stylish add-on, and hoverify. I'm still working on a few panels that keep reverting. I'll probably resave it with JSTricks or Tampermonkey installed so I can inject the CSS every time a panel changes. I wasn't thinking about panels reverting the first time I restyled it all. Luckily they are elements I don't have to look at very much.

Once I get around to fixing it, I'll send you the script, but it will be a while. I'm dealing with severe mental health issues right now. Even replying to this post has my heart rate at ~170.

Anywho, open up dev tools:
Edit some CSS, then click Sources, (google enable Chrome/Edge/Firefox overrides) and save as override. About 95% of saved CSS will stick. I use the same style for every single website I use.
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Rachel Duim
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Here is the fundamental hexagonal element (4 Cairo tiles), so all I really have to do now is tile the plane and work on the UI.

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Valhalla
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Incredible! I can't thank you enough for this!

Questions:
What can I do to help? If you need Photoshop work done or something, please let me know.
What are you using to create this type of stuff, and are there any good tutorials to get me up to speed?
What pattern methods are you adding?
Are you using LUA?

Also, if you check my posts, there's a thread in the filters forum where I've converted over 300 EXR to FilterForge environments. Just search for: CC Filter Forge Environment Library - Monthly Updates

I will resume work this fall, but my reason for stopping in the 300s is explained on the thread.


Video of every pattern method inside Repper Pro.
YouTube - https://youtu.be/-UVfA-CuyDg
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Rachel Duim
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Questions:
What can I do to help? If you need Photoshop work done or something, please let me know.


I'm a graphic artist, and GIMP is my game. Used to use Photoshop but abandoned Adobe years ago. So, you are providing EXRs, seems fair enough to me.

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What are you using to create this type of stuff, and are there any good tutorials to get me up to speed?
What pattern methods are you adding?
What are you using to create this type of stuff, and are there any good tutorials to get me up to speed?
What pattern methods are you adding?
Are you using LUA?


My career was in programing, now I'm not using it for the "industry". Most of the material I use to figure out tiling and tessellations is on the Internet, plus you need a good sense of geometry, whatever that means... The Cairo tile was done with Filter Forge. Others would know more about tutorials, no scripting in my tile work in FF. Here are some of my sources:

Euclidean tilings by convex regular polygons
n-Uniform Tilings
Wallpaper group

In FF the transformation tools are the heart of creating tiles. Flip, Offset, Rotate, and Scale get a heavy workout. The best thing I can suggest is looking at the Wallpaper Group filters I've done. Much simpler than a Cairo tile.

Here's an example from the newly created filter.

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Valhalla
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I'm a graphic artist, and GIMP is my game. Used to use Photoshop but abandoned Adobe years ago. So, you are providing EXRs, seems fair enough to me.
My career was in programing, now I'm not using it for the "industry". Most of the material I use to figure out tiling and tessellations is on the Internet, plus you need a good sense of geometry, whatever that means... The Cairo tile was done with Filter Forge. Others would know more about tutorials, no scripting in my tile work in FF.


I never actually tried GIMP, even though it's top-notch open source(?) photo editing software on par with Adobe. Well, that's what I've been told by many. Thank you for the sources; I'll be checking them out. I can't wait to see the finished product. smile:) Also, awesome preview, it's flawless!

I'm converting EXRs to FFENVs that can be dropped directly into the environment folder; then restart FF, and the environments will show up. I wrote a script to automate it and let it run for a month. I still have a ton of HDRIs that need converting to EXRs and then FFENVs. Thankfully, HDRI to EXR takes seconds, unlike EXR to FFENV, which can take many minutes per conversation. I converted a high resolution EXR just to see and it took over a day for zero difference.
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SpaceRay
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Here's an example from the newly created {Cairo} filter


Well, it is finally available and ready to use and looks really awesome

Cairo tiling by Rachel Duim
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Valhalla
Valhalla
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YES! Thank you so much, Rachel; I also realized you left a lovely message on my other thread, so thank you very much for that; it means a lot. Also, thanks for letting me know, SpaceRay! Today is a good day, a super epic filter by Rachel and Diablo Immortal open beta release. I love the FF community; everyone is very helpful, from providing info to flat out making filters for you; FF has it all, and the chat is always pleasant. Especially SpaceRay and Rachel, you two are great people.

-Andrew
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Rachel Duim
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Thanks for your remarks. I enjoy working on these, they are a challenge and a learning experience. I'm always curious and looking for new ideas and for that I thank you.
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Valhalla
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Hi Rachel, I can't thank you enough for creating this filter; it's helped me understand the pattern creation process inside FF, and I freaking love it. smile:D Now I can make filters that I'd deem worthy of uploading using your filter as a reference in the future.

Also, if there is a list of environments you want, please let me know, and I'll convert them soon as I read your message. I don't care if they're 2x the recommended size.

I really should see an eye doctor for glasses and an ear doctor for tubes or whatever they do for ears that drain constantly and bleed often. The tinnitus is hell; it's like a movie after a bomb or flash grenade goes off, except it's 24/7. The constant high-pitched noise makes it hard af to hear, and it's tripled in loudness since it started in my teens. It's loud enough that I don't forget about it, like blinking my eyes or breathing.

Thanks again for the hard work!
-Andrew
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