uberzev
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I know this is territory we've covered before, feel free to ignore if you like.
Anyway, here's a partial list of components (with their subunits) we wouldn't have if FF truly stuck to its "We only provide the basics" mantra... Spectrum (Profile Gradient + Assemble HLS) High Pass (Invert + Blur + Blend + Contrast) Noise Distortion (Perlin Noise(2) + Offset) Multiblend (Blend x 6) etc. The point is that FF does provide discreet components for certain widely used effects, which is a good thing. It's missing a few important ones though. #1 - Rotate #2 - Find Edges #3 - Basic Lighting etc. |
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| Posted: April 19, 2007 11:31 am | ||||||
Crapadilla
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I agree. Hard-coded 'composite' components are usually faster and/or much more convenient than the DIY solutions.
#4 - Basic gradients (Angular, Conical, Radial/Circular, Pyramidal/Diamond) These are at the top of my personal 'make this hard-coded'-list. Hard-coded gradients would be superior to their snippet and Frame-component equivalents and should ultimately replace them, IMO. All gradients should be freely rotateable and provide 'fixed' & 'proportional' options. In PS these are basic tools, and so it should be in FF. --- Crapadilla says: "Damn you, stupid redundant feature requests!" ;) |
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| Posted: April 19, 2007 3:05 pm | ||||||
CFandM
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Most likely you have read this about the lighting. But I will post it anyway.
http://www.filterforge.com/forum/read...10&TID=858 Otherwise +1 on all 4 Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times! |
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| Posted: April 20, 2007 1:34 am | ||||||
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Crapadilla
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#5 - Scale/Repeat
#6 - Text (can it get more basic?  )
#7 - Median #8 - Erode/Dilate (Minimum/Maximum) --- Crapadilla says: "Damn you, stupid redundant feature requests!" ;) |
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| Posted: April 20, 2007 10:28 am | ||||||
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Crapadilla
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I still do and always will consider Basic Lighting (along with shadows) to be an indispensible component, even though implementing it would probably break all sorts FF design rules and we'll likely never see it! I'm with you on this one, uber. --- Crapadilla says: "Damn you, stupid redundant feature requests!" ;) |
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| Posted: April 20, 2007 10:40 am | ||||||
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CFandM
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+1 on the lighting for me...
+1 on all these except "Text" I am still kinda out on this one.Might be to many problems that arise out of this one. From compatibility problems to license issues...It seems that it would have to be embedded into the filter rather than an external source to fix some problems. Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times! |
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| Posted: April 20, 2007 1:15 pm | ||||||
Kraellin
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i'm curious what you guys have in mind when you say 'lighting'.
If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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| Posted: April 20, 2007 1:55 pm | ||||||
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uberzev
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http://www.filterforge.com/upload/for...tica3d.jpg |
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| Posted: April 20, 2007 1:57 pm | ||||||
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Kraellin
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ok, so you want something for simple filters where no current shading exists in the image or texture.
If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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| Posted: April 20, 2007 2:08 pm | ||||||
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Crapadilla
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Did you consider this? I made some good points in there about how to avoid the license issue. And I fully trust the devs to be able to handle the technical side of a vector raster engine.  --- Crapadilla says: "Damn you, stupid redundant feature requests!" ;) |
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| Posted: April 20, 2007 2:13 pm | ||||||
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Crapadilla
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To me, the Lighting/Shadow component(s) is NOT about producing realistic shading; we have surface-type filters that are much better at this. Instead, the power of Lighting/Shadow comes from being computed BEFORE the result component. This means that you can actually process their output, and achieve a wide variety of effects with it that would otherwise be hard to recreate. Also, the name 'Lighting' is highly misleading and counter-intuitive in this case. I imagine them to be more like 'Illumination Gradients' / 'Light Gradients' or something like that... --- Crapadilla says: "Damn you, stupid redundant feature requests!" ;) |
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| Posted: April 20, 2007 2:32 pm | ||||||
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Kraellin
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ok. i was trying to discern if you were after something like psp's 'lighting', which is basically 5 light sources shining where you want and with various effects or something else.
If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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| Posted: April 20, 2007 2:54 pm | ||||||
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Crapadilla
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No, we are after something different...
Imagine 'Lighting' (called 'Illumination' in uber's image) similar to an Elevation Gradient. You plug in a height map, but instead of using a gradient input you are setting the position of a point light. This creates a gradient transition from 'lit' to 'unlit' areas on the height map, a 'Light/Shadow Gradient' so to speak. --- Crapadilla says: "Damn you, stupid redundant feature requests!" ;) |
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| Posted: April 20, 2007 3:06 pm | ||||||
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Kraellin
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ok, got it. thanks
If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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| Posted: April 20, 2007 3:08 pm | ||||||
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Crapadilla
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It just occured to me that calling it a 'gradient' allows us to conveniently circumnavigate Vlad's design rules for intuitivity & learnability. Its not basic lighting or shading or whatever...
...its just some new gradient.  --- Crapadilla says: "Damn you, stupid redundant feature requests!" ;) |
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| Posted: April 20, 2007 3:19 pm | ||||||
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CFandM
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I did read that. But still having issues with giving a +1. Maybe when "groups" or the "bombers" come out. Would be cool as a text bomber...Or perhaps we could create our own text and put them into groups...Then sharing the text on the fourms to use... Maybe another product to create. A text creation tool...Or like you said maybe some open type faces that could be lic. to use in FF and distributed when FF is installed. Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times! |
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| Posted: April 20, 2007 10:34 pm | ||||||
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CFandM
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Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times! |
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| Posted: April 20, 2007 10:35 pm | ||||||
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Crapadilla
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Yes, I'd definitely totally love to have this when bombers come out. I imagine it to be an 'External' component like 'Image'. It would load a true type font file and make its characters available to the particle bomber tools. It would default to some licensed .ttf file that is distributed with FF. On the Filter Library, all text filters would get rendered with this default font. Including this component of course means that FF must learn how to sample vector shapes. But think about the possibilities. Photoshop lacks a particle system and sprinkling text or dingbats over the image or certain parts of it... that's powerful. --- Crapadilla says: "Damn you, stupid redundant feature requests!" ;) |
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| Posted: April 21, 2007 3:55 am | ||||||
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Kraellin
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ok, other than meaning someone who is a bit nuts, what is 'dingbat'? If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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| Posted: April 21, 2007 9:07 am | ||||||
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uberzev
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingbat |
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| Posted: April 21, 2007 9:14 am | ||||||
| Northernshadow |
dingbats are fonts that use simple pictures instead of letters, Windows comes with one called 'Wingdings'
I'm really looking forward to the bombers! a 'text bomber'? WoW! could make a brushstroke into a dingbat font and VOILA! Sherry |
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| Posted: April 21, 2007 9:26 am | ||||||
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Kraellin
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ok, dont know what 'ding'ing' and 'bat'ing' are, but i get it. thanks
we used to do that on 8 bit machines but never had a term for it.If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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| Posted: April 21, 2007 10:17 am | ||||||
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Crapadilla
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Bombing simple primitive shapes like squares, circles, stars, etc. would already be cool, but to really leverage the bomber tools we need to be able to make any image and any vector shape a 'particle shape'. The first thing I'd do with the bombers would be a heap of liquorice snails. After that, I'd go here to prepare for total dingbat mayhem! --- Crapadilla says: "Damn you, stupid redundant feature requests!" ;) |
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| Posted: April 21, 2007 10:42 am | ||||||
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CFandM
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Another interesting read is this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingbat
hehe Photoshop lacked a good text tool for a while also... This is starting to remind me of the "Hose" in Painter. Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times! |
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| Posted: April 22, 2007 5:31 am | ||||||
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Crapadilla
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Vladimir,
any news about the "Illumination Gradients"? --- Crapadilla says: "Damn you, stupid redundant feature requests!" ;) |
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| Posted: December 5, 2007 5:31 am | ||||||
| James |
Good ideas imo, theres various simple things missing which would make things a whole lot simpler.
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| Posted: December 6, 2007 2:51 am | ||||||
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