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StevieJ
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I would suggest loosing the "Low Usage" rank and replace the rankings as follows:

1) Average
2) Above Average
3) High
4) 2x High
5) 3x High
6) 4x High.....etc....

I think that the "Low Usage" rank comes with a negetive overtone that suggests that the filter is crap.....and that's certainly not the case with alot of filters that now have a "Low Usage" ranking. I think that moving the ranking up to start at "Average Usage" would be much better in not penalizing the "good" low usage filters with the "suboptimal" ones.....and remove the unnecessary negetive connotation for a neutral one.....

Can I get an Amen??? smile:)

PS.....also thinking that 2x and up should get the corresponding number (x) of multiple rewards as just "deserts" for the filter smile:)
Steve

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jffe
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----Eh, too much hassle with 1/2 a dozen rankings. How about you can have your filter's usage get reset if you choose to when you update it, and it reverts to the default "average use" rating then. That sounds more reasonable really, that way if it was low usage, and you update it, you can reset all usage stats, and start clean if you want.
----And since the subject of low/high usage is already been brought up. How exactly is high usage calculated ? Like is it strictly measured by how many renders people do with your filters, time they spend with them open and in use, is it a ratio of downloads to number of renders, or how is it calculated exactly ? Just curious and all.

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StevieJ
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jffe wrote:
How about you can have your filter's usage get reset if you choose to when you update it, and it reverts to the default "average use" rating then. That sounds more reasonable really, that way if it was low usage, and you update it, you can reset all usage stats, and start clean if you want

Well, I would think that could be taken advantage of by just doing some minor tweeks and resubmitting....and I don't think FF is going to want to chech out filters and split hairs on how much constitutes an upgrade.....
[quote]jffe wrote:
How exactly is high usage calculated ?
Probably all of that.....but unfortunately, in my opinion, it seems like there is some "influence" going on from both sides of it.....
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Kraellin
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i could see having maybe 5 ranks, but going all politically correct on it...uh, no. low is low. i want it to say 'low' cause that's what it is. it doesnt say 'bad'; it's just low. that's what it is. if someone is adding on an extra significance to it, sorry, no sympathy there.
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StevieJ
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Well, I think "Low" seals their fate to stay that way.....and in all likelihood, will be deleted from the library at some point. I think when "Low" rank goes on them, it automatically turns away a majority of users.....if not all of them.....so there is no way you are ever going to get them back to "Average" again no matter what you do to them once they get the "Low" ranking. I would suggest that authors just improve them and submit them as a new filter with a clean slate.....

I also think that FF can deal with "suboptimal" filters from "Average" being the lowest rank. They pretty much do and "guide" this ship any way they want.....so it doesn't really matter what's on it for ranking.....

This may be a mute issue.....because you could "re-vamp" your 'Low' or deleted filter and resubmit it as a new filter.....so I may be wasting my breath on this one smile:)
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Kraellin
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well, it's mostly semantics anyways. whether you call it 'low' or 'average' or 'bluegill', it's going to eventually be recognized for what it is. so, i'd prefer not to mess with it. 'oh crap, i got a bluegill!' smile:)
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StevieJ
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To be perfectly honest, I posted this because I've seen "Low" on some good filters by you, jffe, CF, Dilla, Volde, and Uber.....and I didn't want to see them lumped in with the "suboptimal" filters..... smile:)
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Kraellin
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ah smile:)

well, low usage is low usage, regardless of who's it is. the trouble with a filter being 'low' is that some filters are always going to be low regardless of how well they do their job. folks just dont always need them. and that's just always going to be a bit of a problem.

but the other side of the coin is that low often is 'poorer quality' and that shld not be masked with advertising tricks. it's a good thing to know about a filter, for both the user and the creator. the user can avoid it and the creator can go 'time to upgrade'.
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StevieJ
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I hear ya smile:) I don't think an upgrade is going to help a filter with a "Low" usage tag on it because users will still see the "Low" ranking on it and turn away. I think an author's time and energy would be better spent improving the filter and re-submitting it as a new filter with an "unblemished" usage rank.....
Steve

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Kraellin
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hehe, i can see it now, new filter = xxx, low usage, re-submit, new filter is xxx-b and so on ad infinitum smile:D
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StevieJ
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LOL.... Well, you have alot of 1bs and 2Cs.....so they'll never notice it smile;) smile:D LOL....

Actually, I think that submitting a new and improved version.....and asking FF to delete the low usage one.....might just be the way to do it. It would also separate those who really care about their filters (like you and I) from those who have done "suboptimals" just for the numbers and free copy (who don't care and are never going to try and improve their filters). A certain amount of time could be given to improve and re-submit filters after they turn "Low".....which would leave FF with a crystal clear list of "suboptimals" to delete from the library.....
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Redcap
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To be perfectly honest, I posted this because I've seen "Low" on some good filters by you, jffe, CF, Dilla, Volde, and Uber.....and I didn't want to see them lumped in with the "suboptimal" filters.....


I agree with this to some extent, because for the most part snippets are going to be ranked as low because who wants to save a picture of a circular black and white gradient?

So though the circular gradient filter from Uber has been used extensively by many, including many filters that have achieved HU it is still classified as Low. So though Uber and others probablly don't mind very much, it would be nice for a different ranking system for Snippets; such as reflecting the rank of the highest ranking filter that uses that snippet.

As far as the multiple ranking thing goes; however, it just seems a bit much; +1 for leaving it the way it is, except snippets.



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StevieJ
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Yeah, Uber's snippets were part of the reason I posted this smile:)
Steve

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Vladimir Golovin
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We use the current coarse-grained usage scale to avoid a "rich get richer" feedback loop in popularity-sorted lists. I believe I explained this somewhere on these forums.
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