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StevieJ
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I just thought of a business idea for FF.....that I think would turn the FF site into a bustling metropolis of filter authors, artists, designers, game developers, etc......bring in waves of new authors and quality filters by providing incentive rewards beyond achieving Lifetime updates......provide the means by which authors can make money off of their own filters.....increase the "visability" and "exposure" of FF by becoming a much more popular graphics hub/community on the internet.....and thereby drastically increase the sales of this program.....

SUGGESTION:

At achieving somewhere between 3x and 4x lifetime updates (15-20 reward points), FF offers a reward option to authors with a hosted internet site itegrated into the FF site, basic website creation tools, and a certain amount of server space for galleries, etc......by which authors can promote themselves, their work, filters, textures, and have the means by which to take advantage of the upcoming EULA "copyright" changes to make money off of their own filters.....just like FF wants them to do.....

Further rewards could be enhanced features on the website, increased server space, etc......
Steve

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StevieJ
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***flash to Ice Station Zebra on a -80 degree night*** smile:D
Steve

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Kraellin
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***flash to Ice Station Zebra on a -80 degree night***
is that a reference to a cold reception here?

like fred's idea of the double library, this one also would impose extra work and duties on the FF crew. that normally either means extra work for existing personnel or adding additional personnel. so, where's their incentive?
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StevieJ
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Well, I think keeping good filtermakers submitting quality filters is pretty good incentive......along with everything else I mentioned towards increasing sales of the program smile;)
Steve

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Kraellin
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ok smile:)
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StevieJ
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Craig, you surrendered much too easy on that one..... smile;) smile:D LOL....
Steve

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Kraellin
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it's a suggestion. there's nothing to argue...but, we could argue about that if you want smile;)
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Craig
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StevieJ
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Yeah, let's argue about not arguing..... smile;) smile:D LOL....
Steve

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Kraellin
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you cant argue about not arguing. that's like wanting to prevent folks from using your presets smile;)
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StevieJ
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I want to argue that you can argue about not arguing!!! smile:| smile;) smile:D
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Kraellin wrote:
that's like wanting to prevent folks from using your presets

Don't get me going.....I've officially retired from FF Politics..... smile;) smile:D
Steve

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Carl
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I don't know weather you saw the old monty python classic where there is a number rooms offering different services such as arguments, compliments etc - the guy walk in and say I'm here for an argument the reply is no your not - your conversation remind me of it LOL smile:D
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Kraellin
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lol, carl. yes, that was a classic.

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Don't get me going.....I'm officially running for Mayor in FF Politics..... My platform is 'No filters for you!'

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Craig
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StevieJ
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Kraellin wrote:
Steve, you've always been right.....and I appologize for ever disagreeing with you!!!

smile:| ..... smile:dgrin:
Steve

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CFandM
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Carl wrote:
I don't know weather you saw the old monty python classic where there is a number rooms offering different services such as arguments, compliments etc - the guy walk in and say I'm here for an argument the reply is no your not


No I didn't!!!!
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Kraellin
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hehe, steve smile:D
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Carl
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CFandM wrote:
No I didn't!!!!

LMAO I can see I shouldn't have butted into there argument smile:D
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StevieJ
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There was no argument.....I couldn't get Craig to argue anything smile:D
Steve

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Kraellin
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well, sure there was an arguement. we argued about not arguing...or something. btw, who's on first?
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Carl
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Thats right Steve so stop arguing with Craig smile:D
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StevieJ
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To cheek or not to cheek.....that is the question..... smile:| ..... smile:dgrin:
Steve

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CFandM
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Cheekus Argumentus smile:D
Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times!
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CFandM
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Maybe move this thread to "Way OffTopic" smile:D
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StevieJ
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Well, I thought that I started this string with a good idea....but apparently FF didn't think so..... smile:cry: .....so we ran amuck with it.... smile;) smile:D
Steve

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Carl
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CFandM wrote:
Cheekus Argumentus

LMAO
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StevieJ wrote:
Well, I thought that I started this string with a good idea

THere is some value to the suggestion or a variant of, there does seem to be a need for rewards alternative smile:) for over life time HU suppliers smile;) smile:)
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StevieJ
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking.....server space and website tools are negligible.....and it would "dangle a nice carrot" to bring in authors and have continuous quality filter submissions......
Steve

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ahimsa

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and it would "dangle a nice carrot" to bring in authors and have continuous quality filter submissions......
Steve


That leaves me out.


So basically you would like to see a library made up of Crapadilla, you, and a very few others.
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StevieJ
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Since I didn't say anything that remotely resembles something like that.....??? smile:?:
Steve

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ahimsa

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have continuous quality filter submissions......


I am guessing that since your first post mentioned people having enough HUs for 3 - 5 upgrades in order to get this that your "have continuous quality filter submissions" would mean people whose filters get lots of HUs. That would be just a very few people.


Didn't mean to upset you, sorry.
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StevieJ
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It would be the incentive for more people to get involved, submit more quality filters for more HUs, and continue on instead of stopping when they get the program.....and that's all I meant by it......
Steve

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Carl
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Happy New Year smile:D
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ahimsa

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I submitted 55 filters total and many of them I considered quality, I ended up with 3 HUs and it took half a year. At that rate it would require me to submit another 165 filters and a year and a half of waiting time to have 12 HUs, minus one that I spent already.

Sorry I posted

There are too many obstacles for the majority of us to be able to even get enough HUs to get one upgrade, let alone 3 - 5.

All filters submitted to the library are accepted.
Almost half of the filters are now considered LU.
Anyone can download the filter and immediately save it as their own and the filter maker gets no credit at all for it's use.
The collection of the stats can be shut off by the user and I would guess than many people prefer not to have this type of intrusion.
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StevieJ
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Oh sorry, I'm not upset.....

I think it's all in the concept and "reading" what users want. For example, I'm currently doing various softlens filters because they are among the most commonly used effects and there is so much more that can be done that isn't in the library. The same with my recent B&W filters.....I looked through all of them in the library and only one filter started to get at the correct channel conversion methods.....and I know professional quality B&W conversion is popular and will get used.....

Like I've said before.....I think you have many excellent filters.....but it's just that you have chosen concept types that are being done by alot of other authors.....and all of you are diluting the user base for those filters so all of them are going low. Check it out for yourself.....I think you have the only HU kaleido-pattern fabric filter that I've seen.....
Steve

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CFandM
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Carl wrote:
CFandM wrote: Cheekus Argumentus

LMAO


smile:D smile:D
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CFandM
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StevieJ wrote:
I think it's all in the concept and "reading" what users want.


Yep concept is the key.. smile:)
Just like graphics and art be inspired by all that surrounds you....Thats where dilla gets his food from.. smile:D
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CFandM
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ahimsa wrote:
I submitted 55 filters total and many of them I considered quality


Well many of mine I consider quality but its not what is being downloaded and used at this point in time...Or they might never be used at all..Myself I try to do different types of filters to cover all areas..Also for the added bonus of knowledge...
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Kraellin
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StevieJ wrote:
I think you have the only HU kaleido-pattern fabric filter that I've seen....



http://www.filterforge.com/filters/553.html smile;)
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ahimsa

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but its not what is being downloaded


There are and were close to 300 downloads on the ones I was thinking of. I don't feel like working for free on filters for a library system that is set up as it is. The obstacles I mentioned make it nearly impossible for many to get any HU's. As long as every filter sumitted gets accepted and people can save the filters as their own and we get no usage stats then, it will make sure only some filters ever make HU.

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kaleido-pattern fabric


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http://www.filterforge.com/filters/553.html


That's a fabric filter? Now I need to check that one out just to see what it does to a pic. smile:)

Nope, not a fabric one, but I like some of the effects. Congratulations on your HU. smile:)
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StevieJ
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Craig "the glory-stealer" Kraellin!!! smile;) smile:D LMAO.....

Yeah, that's a fabric filter just like this one..... smile:dgrin:

http://www.filterforge.com/filters/4519.html
Steve

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ahimsa

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Nice fabric filter Steve! smile:D smile:D

Of course we all know that this http://www.filterforge.com/filters/1375.html is the very best fabric filter of all time. smile;)
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Kraellin
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yes, you shld be making patterns for quilters, steve smile;)

and yeah, i'll admit it's not much of a fabric on mine, but hey, i tried smile:)
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StevieJ
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LOL..... smile:D

Hey guys.....ya gotta shamelessly plug them wherever and whenever you can, eh??? smile;) smile:D LOL....
Steve

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Carl
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I have my favorite fabric filter I found if you save a dozen images it even gives you that warm fuzzy feeling as if you were snuggled up in a big woolly blanket - but it only seem to work if you save at least 12 times smile;)
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CFandM
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StevieJ wrote:
Hey guys.....ya gotta shamelessly plug them wherever and whenever you can, eh??? Wink Big grin LOL....


Yep gotta do that when you get a chance..
http://www.filterforge.com/filters/2025.html
smile:D
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ahimsa

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I guess no one clicked on my link or you would have seen it wasn't one of mine. You guys are the only shameless ones. smile:D

Steve, made an effect filter I will upload as soon as FF fixes whatever is broke here. Can't upload or download.
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Omega3
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Yep gotta do that when you get a chance..
http://www.filterforge.com/filters/2025.html

Hmmm...how did my name get into there? I really like the filter, but I don't remember starting a thread on it today (Comments on Filters). How do you guys do that?? lol
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