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StevieJ
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I know that an 8bf FF version is thought to put FF out of business.....but I beg to differ. From all the posts about it since I've been here, it's still clearly the "most wanted" thing here.....

First, an 8bf version would be without a filter library.....and would specifically address users who want to create and sell their own universal 8bf filters. I don't think that this would effect sales of the existing program since the vast majority of users buy it for use of all the filters.....

Second, filters made with the 8bf version could be brought into the existing proprietary version.....but filters made with the existing version could not be converted out to 8bf.....thus nullifying the fear of the filter library being converted to 8bf.....which would put FF out of business.....

Third, there's alot of people out there who want an easy, node-based visual program (like FF's editor) to create 8bf filters without having to learn any programming.....like FilterMeister, PS SDK, etc. There's clearly a demand/market for this.....

Fourth, if FF doesn't do it, then someone else eventually will....it's the obvious next step in the market, IMHO.....

Finally, maybe it could be introduced as an advanced reward level.....or maybe offered publically for a substantially increased price. I, for one, would buy it.....or trade in my remaining 30+ HUs to get it..... smile;) smile:D ..... smile:devil:
Steve

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jffe
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Not gonna happen at least for anything that uses HDRI lighting, as those HDR images are licensed to FF for use in the main app only no doubt.

I do agree that some would sell and it could be a bit of a money maker for someone, but really, this is more tail chasing, like suggesting that FF get into the texture renders market. Ie = FF does what they do, and that's just one thing, they make FF as good as they can, doing anything else only takes away from that, and really, they can't afford to be 2nd best.

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Kraellin
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i could see doing a sort of cut-rate .8bf maker. it wouldnt have hdri and maybe not all the various mappings, either. just most of the components and would spit out an .8bf final filter with its own interface. the creator part would be separate from the .8bf's. the .8bfs would be like steve mentioned, filter meister gone plug n play.

but frankly, i dont see much need at this point. with the new single packs and such, it's not likely to happen.

in fact, i'd rather see FF go into music making smile:)
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Kraellin wrote:
i'd rather see FF go into music making


----Uhh, can we all just agree on nagging them for the Pc V2 in 2K9 here ? smile:p

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Kraellin
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lol, jffe. yeah, that first smile:)
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jffe
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Kraellin wrote:
yeah, that first


----Thanks. smile:D
----And no offense to Stevie and his many ideas, it's that a lot of them are really beside the point and/or redundant in ways, and I think by now even I mostly know how Vlad feels about redundancies smile:p

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Crapadilla
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jffe wrote:
----Uhh, can we all just agree on nagging them for the Pc V2 in 2K9 here ?


Hell, no! I want the Land of Filter Forge MMORPG now!

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jffe wrote:
and I think by now even I mostly know how Vlad feels about redundancies Tongue


Swooooosh-Chop-Kthunk? smile;)
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Daniel Ramsey
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Kraellin wrote:
in fact, i'd rather see FF go into music making


Yeah Craig, I got a jump on that with one of my new filters...lol smile;)
http://www.filterforge.com/filters/6743.html

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jffe wrote:
they make FF as good as they can, doing anything else only takes away from that, and really, they can't afford to be 2nd best.


Good point!
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StevieJ
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jffe wrote:
Not gonna happen at least for anything that uses HDRI lighting

Good point.....would have to be just for simple filters....
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Kraellin wrote:
i could see doing a sort of cut-rate .8bf maker.

I was thinking of it as a way for authors to be able to sell filters.....can't really sell them being proprietary to the FF program.....

I also think there are alot of ways FF could use it to their advantage..... smile:devil:
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jffe wrote:
Uhh, can we all just agree on nagging them for the Pc V2 in 2K9 here ?

LOL..... smile:D Yeah, you're right.....back to reality..... smile;) smile:D
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I want the Land of Filter Forge MMORPG now

You mean like a "Second Life" type of world for FF??? That wouldn't be a bad idea at all..... smile:devil:
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Crapadilla wrote:
Swooooosh-Chop-Kthunk?

Time to turn on my 'Invisability Shield' before Vlad sees this..... smile:dgrin: LOL...
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Kraellin
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what i was thinking, steve, was along the same lines as you... i think. but, what i'd do is have the current editor MAKE the filters, but the filters would detach from the main program as stand-alone .8bf's with their own interface.

but, you dont really need this, you know. you can already sell your filters. the drawback, of course, is that the buyer has to have already bought a version of FF to make your filters work. so, your idea does still have merit.

i wonder if we could sell the little single filter thingies with our filters inlaid. that would also be the same thing as selling .8bf's, wouldnt it? maybe vlad would go for a re-seller program like that?
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Carl
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i wonder if we could sell the little single filter thingies with our filters inlaid. that would also be the same thing as selling .8bf's, wouldnt it? maybe vlad would go for a re-seller program like that?

or as a new level of reward, another 5 HU's after lifetime you can get a percentage return on any of your own filters that are sold as single units smile;)
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StevieJ
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Ah, you guys see some of the method to my madness, eh??? smile:devil:

I think the only way it could work is without any encroachment upon the existing program/proprietary filters in any way. It would produce 8bf filters and allow them to be submitted to the "proprietary" filter library with a converter in the submissions process.....but it can't be allowed to read/use proprietary filters from the library. I think that's the only way it could work.....no encroachment upon the existing program and filters.....and could be used in a "one-way" capacity to actually supplement the existing proprietary filter library.....

The underlying idea is for FF to do "something" to advance the incentives to entise more authors to get involved here.....and establish more of a symbiotic relationship with "veteran" authors to keep them producing here. 8bf version, royalty-based texture packs, author storefronts, etc.....anything that will create more involvement, keep authors producing here, and enhance the level of filter quality beyond the introductory loop/stagnation being created by the current program reward incentives. As it stands, the majority of authors learn the program, submit filters until they get the program rewards that they want, then leave.....

IMHO, skilled author submissions are the "life-blood" of this program.....thus my strong opinion to implement those proposed new EULA restrictions. Leaving the EULA with no copyright restrictions only helps a negligable percentage of texture resellers.....when protecting author's copyrights is tantemount and crucial to the future of this program......
Steve

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jffe
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StevieJ wrote:
IMHO, skilled author submissions are the "life-blood" of this program


----Again, it's as true as it is untrue, which in any long run means it is insignificant data (assuming there even is a 'long run' all other factors being equal ha-ha).

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