How would you make this variable dots pattern in FF?

On the Dots patterns filters already available in the library and in the forum all have the SAME size and do not have variable sizes and different dots patterns

I have seen this one here



And I wonder if it would be possible in some way to make this

NOT OVERLAPPING DOTS AND VERY TIGHT ARRANGED AS SHOWN IN THE EXAMPLE

In bomber you can have different sized dots BUT they are all straight lined and if you try to mix them there is the overlapping problem, and what I want is that none of the dots overlaps as shown in the example

And also that there is no spacing between the dots and all are tightly joined together

Ooo we need an iterator for something like this. We tried the bomber in the past if you recall. Basically we fed the previous output the chance param of another bomber. This becomes inefficient after xnum of bombers. But it worked to its degree.

But honestly the bomber method wasn't that great in the end.

If anyone knows how to make this and make the script to be able to make this kind of things in FF it would be really great and much appreciated.

Thanks very much

Hey look pseudo code by Paul Bourke

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Code choose value of c calculate initial area from Riemann zeta relationship initiate random number generator repeat for i=0 to some chosen number of iterations n    area of new object = initial area multiplied by pow(i,-c)    calculate the dimensions of the new object given the area of the new object    repeat       choose a random position in the region of the plane being filled       check for intersection of the new object at this position with all other objects       if the new object does not intersect exit the repeat loop    end repeat    add the new new object to the plane end repeat

Not hard yeah? This is helpful though.

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Skybase wrote: Hey look pseudo code by Paul Bourke Not hard yeah? This is helpful though.

Well this could be not hard FOR YOU that have enough experience and skills to know how to use it and know how to script and what to do to make this work.

Thanks for your code suggestion, but I would never know how to implement this inside FF making a script.

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Sharandra wrote: Would love to see it if someone could write a script for that. Apart from pretty effects like the ones Ray posted, it could be also useful for less exciting stuff like walls made from irregular sized bricks and stuff like

YES, I would love too that some expert would be able to write a script in FF that would be able to make this kind of Non Overlapping Random Space Filling and Tiling.

Now that you say it, is true that this could be used for many other things and have more uses, thanks for your suggestions

*psst spaceray did you know StudioArtist can do this too? * just sayin.

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Skybase wrote: *psst spaceray did you know StudioArtist can do this too?

YES ??? Really ? This is excellent news.

Please, can you tell me, HOW can Studio Artist do this ????

Which of presets or options allows you to make this ?

I have installed Studio Artist Trial and have not seen it as it has too many different options and presets and possible ways to make designs and the preview are very tiny and small to see really what they do and the result you will get

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One does not simply walk into Studio Artist.

I agree with you, I have been only about 3 hours using Studio Artist, and for a complete beginner using this program is possibly a mess, and wrong way to approach a very well done software like this, as this is not like a "normal home paint" program, this is more oriented to professional like and programmers that like to make their own things

Also apart of the 3 hours, I have been also looking in the forums and some videos and more information around the internet about this program.

I have seen that the customer service is very good and great, and even the CEO owner contacted me after two of the customer service sent me an answer to only 2 questions I made.

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Well, I don't want this thread to become a studio artist thread so email me and I'll explain how things can happen.

OK, thanks very much, I will do it.

I mean in terms of resource the best one so far is Paul Bourke. He just shows you how to do it in objective C. But I mean if you're comfortable with programming a bit there's the option of using Processing. The last 2 links weren't very resourceful by the way.

I mean if anything the point becomes clear that we're trying to do something extremely specialized stuff here. So it starts becoming more about programming it (which is the fast way) and digging for programs that can do it becomes the hard part. Because usually it becomes part-function of another larger program. (Although I'll guarantee you that StudioArtist will be able to do a good 60% of the things you've listed in the past.) The program's much more "programmable" than anything I ever used.

I really wanna try and do this, but first I'm waiting to see if V4 beta is going to make it easier.

One step in this direction...

Here I have two sets of random circles. The first set is white. The smaller second set (green and blue) is modified in three ways:

1) If there is no overlap with white circles, don't do anything (green circles)
2) If there is partial overlap with white circles, reduce the size of the circle until there is no overlap (blue circles)
3) If there is full overlap with white circles, remove the circles (removed)

No scripting, all component-based.

Unfortunately it doesn't work in every instance, but that may be because I used offsets, not bombers, so I will try that next.

Would love to see how you made it with no script. Although I suspect I wouldn't understand anything

Four sets of bombers with the incredible overlap-avoiding particle-shrinking formula.

There are some issues, the first one being that since the number of particles is divisible by two (4,6,8,10), you get an empty cross-shaped area where no particles fall.

The other one is that the particles for each set start at the same size, so you get too many similar-sized particles (especially the largest ones, which don't get shrunk down at all).

The good news is that it works consistently with the Bomber method. And that the other issues can be dealt with.

Moving my attempts over to the Scripting section thread.

Very good attempts you have made but as you say doing it this way is NOT the way to go as it would be too complex and too slow, although very good that you have tried it.

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Skybase worte: *psst spaceray did you know StudioArtist can do this too? * just sayin.

Do you mean something like this shown here below for SA?

Building an Apollonian Gasket using MSG

Although in my trial version there is no MSG advanced editor , only MSG Generic

Or this Vectorizer Close Packed Circles

I have tried this and works but in very low resolution and can´t really see it well, as it is the trial, and I can´t afford to buy it althouh I would love to.

If it is not like this I will email you.

What happened to this?

Is there any kind of progress and have you ThreeDee or anyother found a way or figured it out how to make this?

Is ThreeDee missing again? The last message is from 26 October, one month ago.

I am still wanting to find a way to make this in Filter Forge OR with any other software or custom program or whatever way you may know.

I could use Photoshop or Illustrator in Windows 7 (if there could be possibly any plugin or addon)

WOW!! I have discovered something very interesting about this that I did not notice before

I have written above:

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This has two interesting links to BOX FITTING APPLET

Well, if you go to the applet, and open the one that puts "middle" you will see below that is already given the source code for making this box fitting images AND the program that is used to create this and is Processing, and I have already downloaded and installed the free Processing program and downloaded this source code AND IT WORKS !!! Although as I do not know nothing about programming I can´t change the settings but I can change the resolution and also it seems that there is a possible way to save this in higher resolutions (this is not included in the code)

VERY IMPORTANT FOR MAKING IT WORK

If you download the source code and load it inside Processing software it will tell you that this code needs to be updated, and will not work, BUT the fix is very easy, just change the framerate word for the frameRate word (change the R to uppercase) and now it will work.

Also if it uses a image or color source image you need to change the link in the code to put your own image source from a link in internet or put the image you want inside the processing folder so it can find it

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I am now tempted and perhaps interested in learning more about the Processing language and see how it works and how can be customized this source code to get good effects.

specially for working with the IMAGE SOURCE BASED version of this box fitting packing that is found

Here I have done and example linking the code with the FF Lifesaver image and changing the resolution (there is two places that needs to be changed for this to work) and I got this here below

After having used the Particles, Physics, and Dynamics of Cinema 4D software (only the trial as I can´t buy it) and now having used the free available Unity 3D software that has also very similar physics, dynamics and particles, where you can easily define the collision detection so the is NO overlapping between them, and you can apply a force so they are tightly arranged in the minimum space available, I have though that all the above examples could be done using the Unity 3D software to get this effect

As it seems is very difficult and is not yet know if really could be possible or not to make inside FF, and as I can´t use Processing graphics software programming language to make this, and also do not know how to make it by programming in other software, or also as alternative use the programming of the Studio Artist 4.0 software, I think I could try to get it with Unity 3D and even easier using some of the additional available assets for Unity to help in this topic.

All this comes because I have just found an image that has been done with the Chipmunk Physics software that is for making this kind also, so if this can be done with this Chipmunk software, I think it will be possible to make it with Unity 3D too.

Here is the image example

I downloaded the Box Fitting Photoshop plugin years ago from the Richard Rosenman website - I always loved the effect it produced. It looks like the same effect you are talking about.

Ok, well, there's an idea for a simpler version of scripted circle packing, which your mention of a physics engine somehow gave birth to: instead of just making the new circle the largest it can be in a certain spot, find the closest three circles and center the new circle between them. Might need to re-check that the same three circles are still the nearest after moving, but otherwise should work quite nicely.

I have just noticed and seen that the last news from this main topic was at the end of 2012, 2 years ago!!

Maybe Vladimir Golovin or anyone from the FF developers team could have some possible idea to make this available in FF 5.0

As said it would be really great and awesome if there could be some way to make NON OVERLAPPING textures and creations as it happens with the 3D software that you can use dynamics physics to make objects that they do not overlap each other

It would be really great if the bomber (or maybe an additional component) could make that the generated particles would NOT overlap in the result