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(My dream was to reorder images according to their average lightness values but I guess it's a bit complicated,


Do you mean that the images loaded from the 10x10 grid would be ordered by the average lightness of each of the 100 images? or according to the lightness value of a given source image?

maybe it could be something like this ?

PhotoMosaic Generator - Photoshop Extension

But in this one is taken the lightness of the given source image to make the 10x10 grid photo mosaic larger or smaller, and order them to follow the given source image

What is the problem with the filter that Indigo Ray made?
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Mehmet Sensoy
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Yes I mean since it's very hard to order images from top left to bottom right in photoshop via their average lightness values. (For example, if Image's average brightness is %90 it should be somewhere close to top-left or if it's %10 darker image it should located somewhere close to the bottom right) I thought maybe there would be a solution using FF. For example in our early conversations of this post: https://www.filterforge.com/forum/read...&TID=15982
emme described a great solution to slice each tile. Then I thought to merge them together.
By the way here is the first example.

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Mehmet Sensoy
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To make myself clear I had prepared this image using a 32 bit hdr images. (In each grid I've increased exposure).

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And the result. (Maybe I should also submit this one into library since it's kinda different then this one.

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maybe it could be something like this


Yes exactly I tried this extension by the way, it's very slow unfortunately and I guess better version can be done using FF.
Maybe indigo's solution was ok but I'm still very beginner of FF.(Nowadays I'm trying to learn FF deeply) I tried to merge his solution with emme's solution but I couldn't.

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SpaceRay
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The examples you have shown are really cool and well done, and like much the idea you are showing

The first and last with lots of photos organised and ordered following the shape of the source image is really great and something unique

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To make myself clear I had prepared this image using a 32 bit hdr images. (In each grid I've increased exposure).


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And the result. (Maybe I should also submit this one into library since it's kinda different then this one.


Yes, this is also very good and interesting if you can do what you are showing
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Mehmet Sensoy
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Yes, I finally submitted it to the library. Thank you once again,
Working on other one I've showed but I've realized one problem; After we have connected particle adapter with image node, it started to force it in square and image (let's say portrait size image) repeats. I think the problem caused by Particle Adapter since it forces the image to be in square form. Have you ever experienced such thing? I remember there was a proportional snippet filter. Maybe it'd help. You may check the filter I have attached. I'll also share 10x10 Led Bulb Sheet.

Luminosity Photo Mosaic_B.ffxml
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Mehmet Sensoy
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10x10 Light Bulbs

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Mehmet Sensoy wrote: I'm still very beginner of FF

You underestimate your own skill. I like the second example where you shrink the dark tiles.

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Mehmet Sensoy wrote: I tried to merge his solution with emme's solution but I couldn't.

I first tried to re-sort the contact-sheet images in order of brightness like you asked, but I quickly realized I had no idea how to do that... so I just followed through with a completely different approach to make photo mosaics.

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SpaceRay wrote: maybe it could be something like this ?

That Photoshop extension looks pretty cool. I like how it uses larger tiles for the sky and smaller tiles for the details. Further, it doesn't just pick photos by brightness, but also by color. It can even do non-rectangular shapes!
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This may be of interest. The photomosaic concept is heavily patented (I'm not sure how FF handles this). You can see in the description how they match and compose the mosaic:

Patent
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent...DUS6137498

Wikipedia section
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photogra...he_concept
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The photomosaic concept is heavily patented


I am not in any way against what you have said and really have no idea of the patent, BUT what I know is that rthere is a big amount of different apps on mobile either on iOS and Android, and also on the Microsoft App Store, and many software companies have already Photo Mosaic programs and there are also many plugins and extensions that use Photo mosaics

Also it seems that they probably have not decided to go against any other company or person according to the Wikipedia link

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There are a number of other commercial companies that create mosaics with photos. Since there has been no litigation of these patents, these companies must therefore either use processes that do not infringe on the particular claimed process, have licenses under the patents, or are infringing those patents but Runaway Technology has chosen not to bring infringement proceedings.


For example this company makes Photo mosaic for profit since 2005 and does not belong to runaway technologies
Print your own photo mosaic

If you search for in google

gimp photo mosaic

There are many links

And lots of tutorials for photo mosaic if you search in Youtube

And lots of photo mosaic are available if you search on Android app stores or in apple appstores

I think that although this may be patented it is very widely used in many different places and there is no legal action against them
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Hello Sphinx,
I was not aware of this, thank you for detailed information, but I guess since we're going to do it with another method (I still hope someone would find a solution for it because my knowledge is not enough) I don't think it might be problematic, as SpaceRay said it there are many apps around.

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You underestimate your own skill. I like the second example where you shrink the dark tiles.

Thank you Indigo Ray for the motivation; yes since I have a life-time filter forge license I want to improve myself on it and use it all life long for my work. (Even for non-commercial purposes it's still really exciting to see possibilities and play with filters) Also once again I really loved filter forge community. I wish there would be more tutorials by talented filter creators like you.

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For example this company makes Photo mosaic for profit since 2005 and does not belong to runaway technologies
Print your own photo mosaic

Thank you SpaceRay you have been so supportive during this time.
With this example and photoshop extension's overall result, it's blending colors at the end and It doesn't seem like a true photomosaic. I guess these are only taking reference luminosity values. But thinking twice, otherwise, it would need thousands of images for each color.

It's in the library now. Currently, it only blends the result with the original image. But I still believe that it would be even better if anyone can find a way to reorder (darkest in the bottom right and lightest in the top left) internally given 10x10 tiled images due to their luminosity values.

Thank you also for the description SpaceRay. I'll try to write more descriptions also I'll share an extendscript which creates 10x10 tiled images from selected images in photoshop(if it's ok to share it here)

By the way I've only used images from pexels.com - all the images should be commercially free.
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The photomosaic concept is heavily patented (I'm not sure how FF handles this). You can see in the description how they match and compose the mosaic:


I agree that it may be patented and is true, and thanks for the information, and I was not aware of it, BUT If the photo mosaic technique and way to do it is really patented and can not be used then I am sorry that I do not understand how is possible that there are lots of companies that are already using the photo mosaics in their software and there is no legal action against them

For example here is a list of the 10 top free photo mosaic software available and there are lots more

I think that they may have the patent but do not take any legal action against any other company

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6 Years, 1 Million Downloads, 60,000 Paying Customers!
We have been shipping software products for over six years. Our software has been downloaded more than a million times, and we have more than 60,000 paying customers!


How is then that this company that making specifically Photo mosaic software have been in business 6 years and have already 1 million downloads and they have it for profit and there is no legal action against them?

https://www.silkenmermaid.com
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It's in the library now. Currently, it only blends the result with the original image. But I still believe that it would be even better if anyone can find a way to reorder (darkest in the bottom right and lightest in the top left) internally given 10x10 tiled images due to their luminosity values.


Yes, it is already available here Luminosity Photo Mosaic v1.0 by Mehmet Sensoy

I have not been able to test it much and just seen it, and I think you have done a great work, and is good and clever to reorder the images of the mosaic grid according to luminance and is a good idea and is complex for someone that is still learning!!

ALTERNATIVE SUGGESTION TO MAKE MORE SIMPLE

I have found this other Photo mosaic photoshop extension that is very different from the one I have put in the first post link above, this is really much more simple

1 - I really do not know for sure, but it seems that ONLY creates a grid of different tiny images all with the same size and with the same opacity and with simple order using the original colors, and does not order them by luminance or anything

2 - then takes this Photo mosaic grid of images and overlays this OVER the source image just simply using simple blend modes
WITHOUT any analysis of the colors or difference in lighting or luminance, and does not do any following any of the shapes of the source image and does not analyse the source image

3 - The result of this blend seems to be also cool and interesting and could also be done in Filter Forge

Simple Photo mosaic overlay over source image Photoshop extension

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SpaceRay
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or also this other one that seems to be similar and work in the same way

Mosaic Photoshop Action By irmuundesign

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or this one example

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or here

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and also can be good for using black and white

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ANOTHER POSSIBLE SUGGESTION

MAKE PHOTO MOSAIC ORDERING SOURCE IMAGES BY THEIR COLORS


I have found this awesome and cool photo mosaic that it seems that he uses some kind of software to be able to organise all the images taken from bing search image grouped by their main source color that is more predominantly

Color Wheel Photo Mosaic by Jason Alavon

In the link, to see it really well, you need to click over the first image of the color wheel at the right, and it will activate a new image that has a powerful zoom option so really see it much closers and be able to see all the tiny images that it has in more detail

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SpaceRay
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and here is close in more detail as on the zoom

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Of course that I have no knowledge if the idea of being able to classify and order source images by colors could be possible inside Filter Forge, specially because you would need a much bigger source grid, and not a 10x10, it should be 100x100 at least I think, and that do not know if it could be able to identify and classify images and organise them together in one place for each color.

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And the result. (Maybe I should also submit this one into library since it's kinda different then this one.


I will wait to see this other alternative that it also seems interesting and cool, and seems to be also a great idea

EXPAND MY OWN IDEA OF IMPORTING LOTS OF IMAGES INSIDE FILTER FORGE

Mehmet Sensoy, thanks for having this idea of Photo mosaic and you have opened a way to make different things possible and unique and I thank you much for it

and you expanded my already idea of using grid input images into filter forge in a much better way and changed the idea and I can look at it in a new way

Found a possible way to "batch" load multiple images in bomber plus

And also return to the idea of making better this other option of input images from a source grid and do not repeat nearby

Bomber plus - Would be possible to avoid repeat a source image loaded?
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Also have inspired me to search more ways to use grid images or mosaics in another way

For example as shown for this one that uses the photo mosaic grid as a background of the main image Doodle Mosaic Art Photoshop Action

Or also here

Doodle Mosaic Art Photoshop Action in Graphicriver

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