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Mongoose King
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Posted: March 10, 2012 8:16 am | ||||||||
Morgantao
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Mongoose, you post this image of the Jelly Belly logo made of Jelly Bellies:
![]() I'm sorry to tell you that you spent all this time arranging the beans FOR NOTHING! HA! It was already done: ![]() ![]() Nice examples on the last page SpaceRay. Mongoose, can't wait for the final version to come out! ![]() |
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Posted: March 10, 2012 6:18 pm | ||||||||
Mongoose King
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Posted: March 10, 2012 6:34 pm | ||||||||
Morgantao
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I still see some rogue green beans there, but I don't mind them much.
I think it looks very good, and quite realistic. Well, as realistic as arranging thousands of beans can be ![]() |
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Posted: March 10, 2012 6:52 pm | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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Hello, it seems that is better now and looking good, but we want to tell you if there is something you could still optimize, so I am sorry for being picky, but as morgantao said also, I still see some green and pink beans that do not understand why they are there when the source color have nothing green or pink
![]() I have tried many other photos and it works very well and detects in a good way the colors BUT on some colors sometimes it gets wrong lost beans of another different colors. PREPARE CAREFULLY THE PHOTO BEFORE USING THE FILTER You can´t do magic and make PERFECT beans IF THE SOURCE is not well done and the filter can confuse things perhaps on small details or saturated colors or small details that would be hard for the filter to convert to beans. So I think that would be a good idea to use the photo as it is the first time, and then after change some setting if it could be seen better. And if not possible take not, where the filter fails to achieve a good effect, and prepare carefully the photo so the filter can be able to convert better the details and optimize the borders and colors, and take out small details that could confuse the filter by simplifying the image. ![]() |
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Posted: March 11, 2012 1:29 am | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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I think also that is very important too to use the Size Pixels setting to get better results as I have seen in my own test and experiments with many photos, and there can be a big difference adjusting the size pixels settings according to the size resolution of the image AND according to the detail the photo or the image have, as you can better color detection with smaller beans and get a better overall effect.
The Bean size is NOT the same as this does NOT readjust and reconfigure all the other beans around as it happens with the size pixels setting, this leaves holes between the beans, although this is not an error, as I think that this is the intention and why this setting is here. Here is the default size with the first preset ![]() |
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Posted: March 11, 2012 3:58 am | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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And here is exactly the same photo as above with the same first preset BUT have change the size pixels and lowered to one third of the top resolution size.
Here you can see much better that this are Tulips than in the one above. Although perhaps you can also think that instead of jelly beans this is colored rice ![]() Seeing this example, with this filter you have the option to have Jelly Beans or Rice colored. If it is already difficult and time consuming making jelly bean art, imagine making rice colored art ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Posted: March 11, 2012 4:11 am | ||||||||
Mongoose King
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You can also use 'bean repeat' to get the same increase in bean numbers as you do the the resolution. Either way has pretty much the same effect I think.
The green bean issue I think needs more examination.. Green pixels in black is not uncommon as anyone who has cranked up the saturation on a crappy photo will know, but the pink bean in the orange has me puzzled. It seems to be on the edge between the orange and the white tape, the other pink bean in the black edge seems to be where the orange rope come behind. But still, it really should be going to a shade of orange... I'll have to see if I can refine the way it restricts the colour palette. I have a couple of ideas already... Release the Mongoose! |
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Posted: March 11, 2012 8:31 am | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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I forgot to put the real size of the tulips photo converted to beans in the last one to show that you may think that the beans could look very small and be more like rice as I said, they are not, and keep well.
see it here below. Now I have got another idea, instead of jelly beans this could be medical pills of different colors ![]() ![]() |
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Posted: March 11, 2012 11:44 am | ||||||||
Mongoose King
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Well, if you turn the bean curve to zero then they will look pretty pill-like If I added a width slider, they could be made into all kinds of shapes..
Release the Mongoose! |
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Posted: March 11, 2012 11:52 am | ||||||||
Morgantao
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You can add a pre-beaning control that allows the user to lower the green in the image. That way, if the end result is good overall, but has green bean issues, the user could reduce the original's green amount befor it runs through the beaning part of the filter.
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Posted: March 11, 2012 3:57 pm | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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Would it be possible to change the beans into other shapes ???? This could be interesting and useful perhaps, do not know how the results could look, but thinking on a width slider could make sticks instead of beans. When you say "all kinds of shapes", what you mean ? Which shapes would it be ? Also if you say that you can put the bean curve to zero to make them straight, then you can reduce them with bean size and repeat them with Bean repeat you could have as said above "Rice colored" instead of beans ![]() |
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Posted: March 11, 2012 4:06 pm | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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This got me thinking, what kind of shapes ???? ![]() So I went to the filter forge source and discovered the Bean shape and made that it to be a cross instead of a bean (using the star slider) and got this below ![]() |
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Posted: March 11, 2012 5:12 pm | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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And here is with a close up detail, so you can see better the cross texture, I have also included the settings I have used for this if it could be helpful.
I think that gives an interesting texture also and you could try with some shapes and probably submit other variations and make different filters with different shapes, the bean filter, the cross filter, etc.... ![]() |
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Posted: March 11, 2012 5:17 pm | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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Posted: March 11, 2012 5:19 pm | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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Posted: March 11, 2012 6:06 pm | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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This is using the same settings as in the above cross image BUT changing bean density to 3 so it covers any possible hole and gives a different kind of textured effect than the obvious star shaped above, which is very good if want the star effect, but his one also is nice to get a full texture, are different things.
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Posted: March 11, 2012 6:11 pm | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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Posted: March 11, 2012 6:14 pm | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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And the original was made with jelly beans candies, well, there is another famous candy I know that could also be used here, and they are the POLO Mint candies
![]() This is using the same settings as in the above cross image with bean density 2, but have reduced reflectivity to 62 and raised inside Filter Editor the metallic effect to 14. I already know that the Polo mints are NOT shiny at all, but it looks bad if you turn off the reflectivity and make them full matte color, and even I had to rise the metallic effect to have a better effect ![]() |
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Posted: March 11, 2012 6:27 pm | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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Posted: March 11, 2012 6:38 pm | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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Posted: March 12, 2012 3:58 pm | ||||||||
Mongoose King
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I've decided to leave it as it is. After looking more closely at the lifesaver image, I can see that in actual fact, there are pink pixels under the pink bean. You can see it in this closeup. likewise, the green beans are there because of the amount of green in the lifesaver. Having colour controls to fix this doesn't seem to be prectical, as it needs to target only certain areas of images, reducing green everywhere makes everything else magenta. Fixing the green tint in photoshop first is better as that lets you target colour balance to shadows midtones or highlights, or you can select the problem region. I don't want to make the controls cluttered with correction tweaks. There's enough colour tweaks already in the final version..
As for other shapes. hmmm, still pondering it, I dunno how far to go, I mean, I could wire in full control of the polygon component, but again, Don't want to over complicate the controls. However it would be nice to have options... ![]() Release the Mongoose! |
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Posted: March 13, 2012 8:29 am | ||||||||
Mongoose King
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Posted: March 13, 2012 8:35 am | ||||||||
Mongoose King
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Posted: March 13, 2012 8:40 am | ||||||||
Morgantao
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I agree Mongoose, there's no point in having complex color correction controls if you have a stray bean here and there.
The fact that the lifesaver is VERY green in high saturation, and the fact that there is pink in the lifesaver show that the filter works very well at coloring the beans. As has been shown already, pre\post processing for problematic areas is a better way to go. |
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Posted: March 13, 2012 1:54 pm | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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I totally agree with you Mongoose and Morgantao has already said it very well and right. From the tests I have done on some photos, is true that the filter picks up and shows very well the colors, and sometimes that is not good, is because perhaps the filter is too good ![]() So if you are having problem with some color, would be good first to make a test, and see what happens, and if you get a problem with colors, modify the image with color balance, or see what happens if you raise much the saturation and what can be seen. |
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Posted: March 13, 2012 10:06 pm | ||||||||
Mongoose King
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Posted: March 14, 2012 5:23 am | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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Congratulations for having already published and released your filter!!!
YES, is true I have tried it and is true that reducing the bean curve to Zero looks much more like medical pills ![]()
A width slider ? For stretching the beans in horizontal way or vertical ? Into all kinds of shapes ??? ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Posted: March 14, 2012 9:02 am | ||||||||
Indigo Ray
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Spaceray, I like the X-shape mod particularly.
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Posted: March 14, 2012 9:14 pm |
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